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Old 08-21-2006, 10:47 PM   #113
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Hi, guys,

After a good pull of 250 miles with Betsy using my '03 Dodge Cummins, I've begun to wonder about all the comments I see on the forum about "hardly know it's back there" or "forgot it was back there."

Gee, I knew darn well it was back there!

Traveling the same route I've traveled empty before with it NEVER coming out of overdrive, it downshifted on me using the cruise just as I was entering the foothills of Appalachia in east-central GA.

Mindful of the transmission, I deactivated OD and climbed in third at 2300-2400 RPM at 56 mph and reset the cruise there. I was REALLY wondering what this would do to fuel mileage. I left it in lock-out all the way home.

To my surprise, I got there showing half a tank. The same trip empty leaves it a bump higher. (The diesel-selling merchants here are very greedy, so I'll wait for my next trip out of town before I refuel.)

I am not disappointed! Having a truck that can accelerate a 31' Airstream up a hill is a wonder.

Perhaps I'm being too conservative, but my gasser Dakota got 12 mpg towing this trailer. If I can expect a 500 mile range with the diesel RAM even when running in third, I find nothing to fault with the decision to go with a diesel.

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A bit of unsolicited advice:
The 2003 24valve Cummins is fitted with the Bosch VP44 injection pump (IP) and it is a time bomb. Theese trucks had a crappy lift pump and when it failed (usually under load) the IP is forced to suck fuel from the tank, as soon as the IP fuel pressure drops below about 4psi, the IP will cavitate and destroy itself, the truck will stop and you will be out about $4K.

You can replace the lift pump (often the dealer will do it for you for free) and install a low fuel pressure warning light (http://www.bluechipdiesel.com/VP44INFO.html ) and when it comes on STOP loading the engine and limp to the nearest place to install a lift pump, it is best to install the light AND a new pump as to prevent the issue. Total cost for both is about $300 which beats the heck out of a $300 tow bill and a $4k IP.
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Old 08-22-2006, 08:40 AM   #114
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Hi, cgoodwin,

Thank you, but my truck is third generation with a 305 hp/550 foot-pound HO high pressure common rail engine. It has the crappy lift-pump mounted on the filter, which I'm going to change out to a Glacier frame-mounted pump. The IP is a CP3, and I still have 50,000 miles and over 4 years of warrantee left on it.

Yes, I know the lift pump can suddenly fail.

Lamar

PS - I do handheld computer tech support - it's almost impossible to make my fingers type "Ram" with the proper case.
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Old 08-22-2006, 08:42 AM   #115
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there was a time when fuel pricing was a bonus for this group.
not so currently.
Not true. $3 gas with a 12 mpg pickup, equals $4.50 diesel with a 18 mpg pickup.
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Old 08-22-2006, 12:34 PM   #116
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If the 460 efi in my tow vehicle, which now has 69,000 miles, ever decides to give up the fight (don't know when that'll be because I've got the same engine in a 95 F350 pushing 300k on the original engine) then I'd have to give this setup some thought.

http://www.fordcummins.com/

Might just be the best of both worlds.
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Old 08-22-2006, 12:43 PM   #117
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Not true. $3 gas with a 12 mpg pickup, equals $4.50 diesel with a 18 mpg pickup.


thanks for that spreadsheet insight...

all spreadsheets start with a few assumptions....
all assumptions involve some seat-of-the-pants thinking....
that why the first 3 letters of the word are.....

i'm sure almost everyone else who read this line interpreted it as 'pricing' just as written...

as in price per gallon in the usa.

that is why my word choice was 'fuel pricing'

not liters, not btu's of energy, not cost of processing, not cost per make, not environmental costs, not maintenance costs, not hidden costs, not local taxing costs, not subsidized cost, not inflation adjusted annualized fleet cost, and so on....

and certainly not the 'different for virtually everyone' mpg unhitched-towing- up hill-coasting-underinflated tires-pulling a 3ft or 40 ft trailer-in a cyclone.......costs....

aren't there already several threads on the 'i get blah blah mpgs? topic?

also i used the term bonus....which may have varied interpretations.

lastly before declaring anothers words as 'not true' you might want to understand what that means...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth

i ascribe to hybird of deflationary theory and kant's view with a dash of faucault's notions for broader appeal...

get it?

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Old 08-22-2006, 02:32 PM   #118
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Well, there was a time when diesel WAS 30 cents a gallon cheaper then regular. The guys with the diesels thought that it was really cool to fill up the tank for less than the folks with gassers.

Now some of the diesel folks are crying their eyes out because diesel fuel is the same or slightly more than regular. "What's the point in having a diesel, if diesel fuel is 25 cents a gallon more than regular?" "Isn't diesel fuel supposed to be cheaper than regular?" they ask.

The TRUTH of the matter is this, and the point I was trying to make was, a comparable 2500/250 series pickup with a gas V8 getting 12 mpg is equal to, in fuel cost per mile to the same platform pickup truck with diesel engine getting 18 mpg, with diesel fuel pricing of $4.50 per gallon. At the price point of $3 for both fuels, you save about $1000 a year with the diesel.

So, TRUTH be told, even though diesel fuel is priced slightly higher regular in some places, there is still an economic advantage to operating a diesel pickup at current fuel prices, even if diesel fuel is a few cents more per gallon than regular gasoline.

Personally, I consider diesel fuel under $4.50 a bonus.
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Old 08-23-2006, 01:09 AM   #119
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i ascribe to hybird of deflationary theory and kant's view with a dash of faucault's notions for broader appeal...

get it?
No frankly I do not.

Foucault wrote about sexuality, the prision system medicine and issues relating to social structure and its relation to acceptable versions of "Truth" in given cultures.

Kant wrote of morals as being Categorical Imperatives driven by reason with no consideration for individual "Wants".

Both were philosophers engaged in the social sciences and neither has anything to do with what vehicle to tow your trailer with.

I read and re-read your post and honestly have no idea what you are trying to communicate.

No offense intended, I am interested but confused..
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Old 09-02-2006, 06:30 PM   #120
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Well, new diesel fuel, ULSD, has arrived…
And is required in the New World…
At least in CA for now.
See implementation schedule:
http://www.clean-diesel.org/highway.html
As the reality sets in:
Would you still choose diesel as your next tow vehicle?
...or go with a gas burner?

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Old 09-02-2006, 07:57 PM   #121
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We pull our 22 ft argosy with a diesel jeep liberty. It does great!!!! and my husband makes our diesel fuel from used resturant oil at a cost of about 1$ a gallon. Its been a lifesaver for us and he can ussually make about40-50 gallons every two weeks. He just does it on the weekend. Both our cars are diesels. But its a shocker when we have to actually buy from the pump! ARRRGH#!%@&^(!
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Old 09-02-2006, 10:07 PM   #122
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Well, new diesel fuel, ULSD, has arrived…
And is required in the New World…
At least in CA for now.
See implementation schedule:
http://www.clean-diesel.org/highway.html
As the reality sets in:
Would you still choose diesel as your next tow vehicle?
...or go with a gas burner?

Bill
That's explains the jump in diesel prices here in CA!!

And yes I'd still buy diesel if I had to do it all over again. No stock gas engine can touch a turbocharged diesel for performance and mileage.
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Old 09-04-2006, 12:02 AM   #123
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I bought a 2 yr. old used truck with 22K miles.It has everthing I wanted in a truck including the 8' bed. It took patience, but someone is always going to trade in for bigger and better. I was a lot happier letting someone else take the depreciation hit.
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Old 09-04-2006, 12:51 PM   #124
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I like gas. But I've wanted a HEMI since I was 17. With the money I save on the road, cooking and sleeping in, the extra expense is worth the fun of having a truck that hauls but. Deisels have torque and longevity that is important for large coaches. Pulling a 4,000 Argosy with a 3/4 ton HEMI means that the torque of the engine is okay. If I was towing more than 7,000lbs for a couple months a year I would think seriously about a Deisel
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Well, new diesel fuel, ULSD, has arrived…
And is required in the New World…
At least in CA for now.
Would you still choose diesel as your next tow vehicle?
...or go with a gas burner?

Bill
well bill....

IF i lived in socal and expected to rv in baja much....
i'd opt for an 06 diesel engine....
who knows how long it will be before the ulsd is available down south....

and there are BIG discounts on 05s/06s....
ford gives the 06s a longer factory warranty now too...

and an older diesel would be an even better value...
and could be converted for veggie....
see

http://www.frybrid.com/

that would be my favorite socal set up!

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Old 09-04-2006, 01:58 PM   #126
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Hi, flitzwhoper,

Nothing against your desire for the hemi - different strokes for different folks makes the world go 'round.

However, have you driven a recent deisel? All the big three are at 300 or more HP and 500 or more ft/lbs torque. They are not nearly as anemic in the old thrust department as the models made just ten years ago.

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