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Old 12-01-2009, 05:07 PM   #71
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Hi All, new to the forums and to the Airstream experience.

Annie,
I just went through a similar experience. Getting an AS and a matching TV in a single swoop. I end up getting a 2005 30' Safari with the bunk beds layout.
Initially I was going to get a gas pickup truck, a Toyota Tundra for the job.
When I added:
- Passengers weight
- Cargo weight (in the truck bed)
- AS Tongue weight

The total was uncomfortably close to the truck Payload Capacity. It looks like all 1500 type/series trucks are around the 1600~1900lbs.
This send me into the 2500 territory. Once there the Gas vs. Diesel question came into play. Form my experience, it seems that in the 2500s, the available inventory was predominately Diesel. Through my research, I end up with a bias towards GMC due to the Allison Transmission.
Plus, during the month that I was shopping around, GM heavily discounted their new trucks...up to 8K.
I end up buying form this dealership in Idaho:
Dave Smith Motors - Kellogg, Idaho - 1-800-635-8000 - New or Used - Dodge, Chrysler, Jeep, Ram, Chevrolet, Buick, GMC, Pontiac, Cadillac.

The local dealerships (Texas) couldn't (or wouldn't) match these guys prices. Not even adding the delivery charge.
I told them that I wanted this truck for towing. They added a brake controller (Prodigy), and the factory towing mirrors.

Hope this helps.

Adolfo Isassi
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thank Photo..... funny you posted this because GMC was the next thing i was going check out because of the allison tranmission. thanks for the name of the dealership i will go see what they got.
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Old 12-01-2009, 05:20 PM   #72
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Confession

We bought the truck first.

We pretty much knew what trailer were going to buy, we knew the truck we had wouldn't tow it, and we wanted the most reliable truck we could find, and decided to get the Toyota Tundra and then pick the right Airstream to match with it and with us.

There are no absolute rules.

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first threads are fun to review....

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...There are no absolute rules.
r u sure?

is that an absolute?

maybe it's only an 80% rule?

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...We pretty much knew what trailer were going to buy...

...we wanted the most reliable truck we could find,

...then pick the right Airstream to match with it and with us.
as i recall from your earliest posting there was NEVER any doubt u'd get a yota'...

and u were absolutely sure about the trailer too....

it went something like this...

truck...

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...We have a 2002 Tundra with the V8...I'm not buying a new truck for towing...
14 days later...


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We had to go to the local Toyota dealer for an alignment today and those new Tundras are very tempting... Barb and I are weak when it comes to new trucks...
followed shortly by...

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...our weakness for new motor vehicles, we made a deal on an '07 Tundra...

...I tried to talk myself into keeping the old Tundra, but couldn't.
trayla...

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We are interested in the International CCD because the 22' looked closer to what we were looking for (and those wrap around windows look great)...
followed soon by....

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...maybe the Safari 23 makes sense—we will be driving ourselves crazy over this for some time to come.
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... I'm wondering where there would be information on every Airstream made in the past 15 years with lots of detail to make comparisons between years...
if only this existed....

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...No more International 22', but some nice International and Safari SE 23's. I'd rather not buy new because they depreciate so fast...
then some reality LEADS to clarity...

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...The 25' FB has everything we're looking for.

Our '02 Tundra has a combined weight rating of 11,800 lbs and a curb weight of 4,664, 4,824 with gas and more with humans (it would've been 5,100 in 1986, bigger people now). Add 100 lbs. in the truck for supplies and added human weight gain since we met, Tundra now 5,200. That leaves 6,600 lbs. before we reach the Tundra's combined weight limit. The International FB 25's empty are 5,410, Safari's 5,210. Since the Safari's probably are the same with options as the Internationals, that leaves 1,190 for cargo, propane and water. Propane and water are 544, leaving 646 lbs for cargo. We weighed some things, guessed on others, adding together food, clothes, tools, shoes, cleaning supplies, paper products, linens, a couple of director's chairs and outside table, vacuum, books, maps, hose, extension cord, plates, utensils, flashlight, towels, camera, laptop, etc., 437 lbs. That leaves 229 lbs. for hitch assembly, sway bar and forgotten things that want to come along.

Will I be going up Vail Pass at 25 mph?

This is fun.
and AFTER the NEW truck purchase...

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GCVWR for this truck is 16K and it can tow 10,300 #....

...Since I'm thinking of a 25' FB, I can be well within those limits, but payload is the weak link and probably makes the difference between 1/2 and 3/4 ton. Maybe this is a 5/8 ton....
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...Now I can start getting more serious about a trailer without making myself crazy about weights. For us a 25' seems a good balance

A good deal on a 27' is not out of the question though...
and the summary in yer wurdz...

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And, like Pilgrim we started with one thought, a shorter one, the 22' CCD, and ended up with a bigger one— Safari SE 25' FB. We had to buy it before we went even longer....
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and the entire thread/process is here, it could be useful to others

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f395...tml#post448301

so gene it's interesting how history gets fuzzy after just 2 years...
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not that it matters, but my sequence was...

1. order the trailer
2. order the truck
3. truck arrived in 5 weeks, pay for it.
4. trailer arrived in 12 weeks, pay for it.

so technically the truck was purchased 1st, but only AFTER solving the trailer question.

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Old 12-01-2009, 06:48 PM   #74
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2air, glad to see you are keeping a compendium of my writings just so you can play gotcha.

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no gotchaz.

but the process of finding the sweet spot for many/lots/most of us...

is seldom clean or without the occasional detour or mulligan.

and lots of folks end up with what they have by happenstance...

then rationalize the outcome later...

the roads to perfection are many.

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Old 12-01-2009, 07:25 PM   #76
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FWIW, I bought my truck 6 months before I bought my trailer. I hadn't even planned on an airstream at that time, I just knew it was time to get a "real man's" truck--something that would pull pretty much anything I'd ever need to tow and be pretty comfortable to boot. I'd always liked the '99 and later Powerstroke equipped SuperDutys and after a bit of research, it was clear to me the 7.3L 'Stroke was the only way to go if I did't want to have any issues.
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Annie;
Love my used 2003 Chevy Silverado 2500HD with the Duramax diesel and Allison transmission. Bought it with 108K miles for 1/3 of what it cost new. Great power, especially for towing in the mountains like you'll face in the West. Noisy, relatively, with the custom exhaust. Yes to 15mpg towing and 23 around town. Gets as good gas mileage as our Lexus LS430 without towing.

Also consider AS past 1988--they went to 108" then, and past 1994 if you've got someone tall going along--They got taller in '94. You can still get an excellent AS in those date ranges.

Lots of wise counsel in the postings above. I know you'll really enjoy the experience!
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Old 12-02-2009, 10:12 AM   #78
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Annie, I think you should consider an extended cab, for two reasons. 1. it adds wheelbase without needing to resort to the butt ugly 8ft long beds and 2. it gives you more room to store stuff in the cab. I've had regular cabs and extended cabs and would never, ever go back to a regular cab pickup.
My cats appreciate the extended cab. More room for them.
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Old 12-02-2009, 10:20 AM   #79
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My cats appreciate the extended cab. More room for them.
Yes, and resale is another issue....you can hardly give away a standard cab pickup these days.
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Hi All, new to the forums and to the Airstream experience.

Annie,
I just went through a similar experience. Getting an AS and a matching TV in a single swoop. I end up getting a 2005 30' Safari with the bunk beds layout.
Initially I was going to get a gas pickup truck, a Toyota Tundra for the job.
When I added:
- Passengers weight
- Cargo weight (in the truck bed)
- AS Tongue weight

The total was uncomfortably close to the truck Payload Capacity. It looks like all 1500 type/series trucks are around the 1600~1900lbs.
This send me into the 2500 territory. Once there the Gas vs. Diesel question came into play. Form my experience, it seems that in the 2500s, the available inventory was predominately Diesel. Through my research, I end up with a bias towards GMC due to the Allison Transmission.
Plus, during the month that I was shopping around, GM heavily discounted their new trucks...up to 8K.
I end up buying form this dealership in Idaho:
Dave Smith Motors - Kellogg, Idaho - 1-800-635-8000 - New or Used - Dodge, Chrysler, Jeep, Ram, Chevrolet, Buick, GMC, Pontiac, Cadillac.

The local dealerships (Texas) couldn't (or wouldn't) match these guys prices. Not even adding the delivery charge.
I told them that I wanted this truck for towing. They added a brake controller (Prodigy), and the factory towing mirrors.

Hope this helps.

Adolfo Isassi
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Funny you should mention Dave Smith Motors. I bought our 07 Chevy, Old School from them. The last of the old styles. I was pretty happy with them. The one glitch was the hitch. They didnt have on in stock and but a few hundred more, I could have the double Hitch Heavy Duty Thingy. I said no thanks, they said: No problem, no extra charge. They are pretty good and the price was lower than anywhere else. We also bought the TV first. How else would be get the AS home?

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Old 12-02-2009, 11:08 AM   #81
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Yes, and resale is another issue....you can hardly give away a standard cab pickup these days.
you might be right about that Steve. LOL everyone wants an extended cab. but i dont care about that. i just HATE the look of the extended cab. i can appreciate how useful it is and alot of folks like them.
and thats fine. i think its nice to look at when someone else owns one. LOL

but i couldnt own one because i just hate it THAT much. so..... if i HAVE to give it away when i am done with it.... SO be it! LOL

but seriously.... i do agree with you.... they are more useful.
i just dont like the view.
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Annie;
Love my used 2003 Chevy Silverado 2500HD with the Duramax diesel and Allison transmission. Bought it with 108K miles for 1/3 of what it cost new. Great power, especially for towing in the mountains like you'll face in the West. Noisy, relatively, with the custom exhaust. Yes to 15mpg towing and 23 around town. Gets as good gas mileage as our Lexus LS430 without towing.

Also consider AS past 1988--they went to 108" then, and past 1994 if you've got someone tall going along--They got taller in '94. You can still get an excellent AS in those date ranges.

Lots of wise counsel in the postings above. I know you'll really enjoy the experience!
Thanks SS..... nobody but me going anywhere in my AS. LOL i didnt realize that about the height difference.
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Old 12-02-2009, 11:23 AM   #83
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no gotchaz.

but the process of finding the sweet spot for many/lots/most of us...

is seldom clean or without the occasional detour or mulligan.

and lots of folks end up with what they have by happenstance...

then rationalize the outcome later...

the roads to perfection are many.

cheers
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2air.... i was just reading this post and i know what you mean about finding the 'sweet spot'. LOL

i never thought of it that way but thats what some of seem to go thru when trying to decide what to buy. not just with an AS but with lots of things.
i know i do. it takes me a while to make a decision when there are lots to choose from.

some things i know right off i want or dont want... then the other 90% is alot of going back and forth.

i guess the more information you can get on something... the easier it is to make a decision.

i hope. LOL
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Dear Airstream Annie, go to Richie Rich's public profile. See the big shiny '66 Sovereign ? Nice huh? (and cheap too). See the young people in the picture,and how happy they are? This baby weighs less than 5000 lbs. A' cheap sleep ' like this could make you happy too. Then hook up to a traditional Airstream T/V , a Suburban,and wave to all the A/S fans honking hello.
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