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Old 11-27-2009, 08:51 AM   #15
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We just bought our first diesel when we got our AS - trailer is 8400# GVW I believe.

The diesel comes at quite a price premium, but what the heck, you only go around once! It sure makes for effortless towing, Just walks up the hills and mountains like a freight train, I don't even think about it.

I'm sure we'll never put enough miles on it to warrant the extra cost, but with the better fuel mileage, and also (for now) lower price of fuel, that knocks down the extra cost somewhat.

I think too that we will see a higher resale value due to having the diesel.

Never having owned a diesel before, I was concerned (and my wife even more so) about hard starting, diesel smell and excessive noise.

None of these have been an issue at all. In fact, after a 34 career on the railroad, I sort of like the diesel rattle and wish our truck made a bit more noise.

It is a GMC, and I think maybe it is the quietest diesel - not sure about Ford but I'm sure it is quieter than the Dodge.

I would certainly buy again.


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Old 11-27-2009, 09:02 AM   #16
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Diesels are powerful and efficient, getting approximately 30% better fuel economy over gas. What a joy to tow with. We tow with the Dodge Cummins.

Fuel prices fluctuate throughout the year. From time to time, even if the diesel fuel price ever increases to 30% higher than gas, it will still cost the same per mile to drive: $3.00 gas or $3.90 diesel, same cost per mile. Certain times throughout the year, diesel fuel is significantly lower than gas, making it even more of a bargain to drive.

Bottom line, buy the motor you will enjoy towing with and don't be dictacted to by the normal and expected fluctuation of fuel prices.
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Old 11-27-2009, 03:50 PM   #17
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i was pricing some TV's today. dodge is SO expensive with the cummins diesel. WOW ! i mean REALLY alot more money.

i went over to ford ... the truck guy over there was wonderful and he told me about the the kind of set up i would need and gas comes in ALOT less than diesel. even ford's diesel adds up the cost.

i would love diesel but i dont know if i can afford it.

but one thing the truck guy at ford DID say is that the gas mileage with diesel is not better than gas. i found that strange since everyone has been telling me that it does get better mileage.

he wasnt trying to sell me anything because he didnt have what i needed but..... why did he say that about diesel getting less mileage?

not sure what to think.
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Old 11-27-2009, 04:40 PM   #18
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Diesel engines are built to a much heavier standard than gas engines due I believe to the higher compression ratios (ie higher pressures in the cylinders) that must be accomodated.

I imagine that is the main reason thy are more expensive than gas. On our truck, when bought new, the diesel engine/allison transmission option was about a $10,000 (Can.) option.

Unless you do a very high mileage, it likely won't be a paying proposition even though you will get more on a resale.

There is no doubt you don't "need" it, especially if is going to stretch things too much for you financially. I'm very glad we got ours, but I think for us it is more of a "nice to have" item!

As for mileage compared to gas, I had always heard that you got better mileage with diesel and so far, our experience seems to be bearing that out.

We are getting consistantly better mileage with this 3/4 ton diesel full crew cab 4x4 diesel towing our trailer than we did with the smaller 1/2 ton gas truck pulling a trailer of half the weight of the AS. Probably 1-2 mpg better I would think, which I find pretty good considering the difference in weight of the two trailers.

Our last trailer was also a low streamlined design - probably moreso than the AS.

Its good that you are doing all your homework! I'm sure you'd be very happy with a diesel, but you don't "need" it! Gas will do just fine IMHO!

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Old 11-27-2009, 04:59 PM   #19
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Sounds like you want a Ford or a Dodge. There are alot of nice older 3/4 ton Fords to be had for much less than a new one. Hook that up with a lighter vintage 30' er and save all the way 'round BUT be prepared to baby everything. Older rigs need repairs,and newer rigs need regular maintenance too.The difference being, the older one could be payed in full. So, your only cost is for repairs. Not repairs and monthly payments(for new). Also, gas is everywhere. Diesel is a little harder to find .
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Old 11-27-2009, 06:33 PM   #20
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the ford truck guy told me that the 2011 F-250 is going to be avilable with a new diesel engine that ford has developed... and yes.... it will add a real preimum to the price... about the same as the current diesel engine.

depending on what AS i buy i may have to go with the gas TV.

he also told me that there was a rebate in my area as well.... where dodge told me there was nothing in rebates.

i would consider a used TV if i knew i was getting something that wasnt abused. for that reason i usually buy something new and as such... i have had good luck with the things i have owned.
i am not hard on the things i drive and i do look after my posessions.

anyway.... i am indeed doing my homework and i am SO very grateful for this site.
all you folks have been SO helpful. thanks for giving me alot to think about.
i am sure i will have loads more questions as i get further into this. LOL
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Old 11-27-2009, 08:57 PM   #21
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and as far as seat warmers go.... like i said..... when i cant keep my windows open for fresh air..... then i will be LONG gone from that location.
so... seat warmers are not even something i would EVER think about. LOL

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not to hijack this thread... but what do you do for a living to be able to move everytime it gets cold/hot !?
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Old 11-27-2009, 09:15 PM   #22
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You mention considering a 25 footer. We have a 2005 25FB, named Lucy. Over the past 3 1/2 years we have pulled Lucy over 50,000 miles and have spent over 500 nights in her. Lucy has visited all of the lower 48 states. Lucy weighs 7400# ready to travel.

We tow Lucy with 3/4 Suburbans with the 6.0 liter gasoline engine. These tow vehicles do a very good job in all conditions. Towing Lucy's weight, I don't think that I would want to mess with the diesel hassles.

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I will amend my original comments that were directed strictly to the choice of gas or diesel.

Another consideration that is very important is the ride characteristics of the TV. I had towed for years with diesel Suburbans and switched to a diesel Ford Excursion 2 years ago, now the GM no longer offers a diesel and without doing any investigation. The Ford clearly was never intended to be a tow vehicle. I spent the first year redesigning the suspension system just to keep the truck on the road while towing.

Independent of the engine you select talk to others that are towing with your selection about other consideration, ride comfort, handling, ect, before buying. The Excursion has the most uncomfortable seat I have ever sat in.
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Old 11-28-2009, 09:21 AM   #24
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Annie, if you want to find out about rebates or specs, options available, and wholesale, trade-in, and retail prices for new and used cars, check: New Cars, Used Cars, Car Reviews and Pricing - Edmunds.com

Kelley blue book has a lot of the same information, but last time I was in the market, Edmunds was better. But: New Car - New Car Prices & Reviews - Kelley Blue Book

Consumer Reports has the same info for a price.

Check manufacturers websites for tow info, though it can be hard to find, it's usually there somewhere.

If you are a member of AAA they will negotiate a price and find the vehicle you want. There's a nominal charge. This is good if you don't like dealing with dealers you avoid some usual dealer charges this way. I've used them when living near a big city because they get good prices, though if you live far from a city it can be a pain because you have to travel to get the vehicle. I prefer negotiating myself because it's fun (I know, not too many people feel that way), but AAA does a good job.

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Old 11-28-2009, 09:54 AM   #25
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not to hijack this thread... but what do you do for a living to be able to move everytime it gets cold/hot !?

Hi Flmgrip..... i am free as a bird because i have an online job and i NOW have mobile broadband. so i can pretty much work anywhere i want to.
if i cant get a signal out in the boonies then i wouldnt consider staying there for a season. but there are PLENTY of places to go where my laptop computer will do just fine.

and.... like i said..... a season to me is anytime i have to close my windows so i cant have fresh air flowing thru. LOL i am not talking about a cold snap.... i mean when the area i am in starts to be TOO COLD for that. ..... or conversely..... TOO HOT as in the desert climates. i dont like heating or air conditioning... or being cooped up inside with no fresh air.

as long as the sun is shining and the breezes are blowing..... thats where i want to be. i've set my life up to be child free and debt free so i am good to go with an AS ....till i get too old to do it. LOL

so....why not? if it werent for technology i guess i wouldnt be able to do this..... but time has finally arrived. AND.... i intend to enjoy it for as long as possible.

no reason to be statonary anymore.
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Old 11-28-2009, 09:59 AM   #26
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Hey Howie... Crawford Gene.... MORE great info and comments ! thanks ALOT ! you have given me LOTS to think about. this whole thing is certainly going to be taking some time to sort out.


and Moosetags.... LOVE your comments. thanks... and Lucy looks great. i am thinking about 25 ft. too. that would be a good size for one person.
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i have NOT selected an AS just yet.... but it might be a heavy one...maybe 10K pounds plus if i decide on a 30ft.

i am starting to think about what truck to buy. whats your opinion for either gas or diesel ? and why?

i would love a dodge ram diesel but if gas is going to be a better bet for price that would be ok as well.

what do you think?

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I had a gas F-250 that I initially used to pull my 31 Classic. I now tow with a diesel F-250. Much better power going up the mountain passes. Wheel base and factory towing package are factors as well. You usually get transmission cooler, possibly an oil cooler, larger brakes, bigger alternator,..
I have an extended cab, long bed truck. The truck is 23 feet long. This has been a blessing more than once.
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Old 11-28-2009, 10:19 AM   #28
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but one thing the truck guy at ford DID say is that the gas mileage with diesel is not better than gas. i found that strange since everyone has been telling me that it does get better mileage.
You need a new truck guy; this one doesn't know what he's talking about. Diesel fuel has about 30% more BTUs per gallon than gasoline. Assuming you extract those BUTs equally as efficiently, you WILL get better fuel mileage (measured as miles per gallon of fuel) with a diesel ... at least in over the road applications. If this were not the case, semis, locomotives and ships would all be gassers instead of diesels, but they're not. You might not get better mileage in town, as diesel vehicles tend to be heavier, so you've got more mass to accelerate, decelerate, etc. and that wastes heat / BTUs / fuel.

But the larger question is cost / need / payback, etc. Putting aside the bettter torque of diesels and that advantage, I'd focus instead on the suspension, brakes, etc. - that's where towability comes from. Outside of on mountain grades, a diesel won't be much advantage to you. But beefy infrastructure will always pay off.
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