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Old 02-16-2012, 04:59 PM   #29
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Tin', whenever someone asks about a tow vehicle, watch out because we all have favorites, and strangely enough, the favorite is usually the one we happen to own.

A '99 25' Safari fully loaded weighs 1,000 lbs. less than our 25' Safari. We have had no problem towing it up the high passes in the Rockies with our '07 Tundra (2nd gen.). People repeatedly post on the Forums the Tundra can't do it easily, but they are wrong. It is easy to travel up Vail Pass at 65 or faster, but 55 is better if you don't want to use enormous amounts of fuel. Modern gas engines can handle anything a diesel can. A diesel engine will last a very long time, thought the truck it is in may not, so consider the reliability of the truck.

If you crawl around under the Tundra you will see the kind of driveline components commonly found on 3/4 ton trucks. The exception is the spring pack which is 1/2 ton sized. If you look for a Tundra make sure it has the towing package (especially) and the TRD package (maybe). That will give you all the options you need for towing.

As previously stated, about 1/3 of the weight from the tongue will be transferred back to the trailer axles, so you will have a bit more cargo weight. However, tongue wt. is frequently inaccurate in Airstream info. Add in the weight of propane and the spare tire if mounted under the front of the tire. And, if you fulltime, you may have to consider a 3/4 ton or more because you will most likely bring more stuff than you think. Aftermarket adaptations to make the Tundra into a 3/4 ton may be possible, but I have no real knowledge of how to do that. We have traveled for as much as 8 weeks with ours, but we weren't bringing everything we owned with us.

You will increase cargo and improve gas mileage with 2WD, but if you get stuck on sand or mud with the trailer, you will won't have quite the ability to pull yourself out.

And, finally, read Rednax's posts very, very carefully because he presents complex ideas in full and they are not easy to understand the first time through. He and I have different opinions on some things, but he challenges conventional wisdom in ways that are good to consider.

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Old 02-16-2012, 05:28 PM   #30
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I have a 2000 V10 Excursion. The plug issue has been beat to death. Plugs blow out because they become loose and strip the threads. There are enough threads in the head (just enough) but if they get loose they will ruin the head. One of the members at ford-trucks.com forums did test where he torqued the short thread plugs to failure and the plug broke and the threads never stripped. The plugs need to be changed every 100k but they need to be checked for tightness once a year. They should also be torqued to 15-20ft-lbs not 10 ft-lbs. There are folks that have gotten 400k out of these engines.

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If you're looking at Ford Excursions, be sure to get a 2004 or newer!

I had a 2001. It had the flawwed head design that blew up on me. Ford would not cover it, even though I purchased an extended powertrain warranty.

They claim to have fixed it in 2003. I wouldn't even consider one prior to '04.

The problem? They only threaded half the depth of the combustion chamber roof so the plugs only had 7 threads. They would loosen up and the pressure would blow the plug out of the head, trashing the coil-on-plug-ignition coil and also wreck the threads. You now have a V-9 which ain't worth much....

The Ex did tow nicely, though not nearly as nicely as my Dodge diesel does. But, it rides a little softer and seats 8.

Get yourself a diesel crewcab and you'll be ready to rock. I love my Ram. I haven't hit a hill yet that I can't accelerate up with my 34 footer loaded to the gills. And I get 21mpg empty with it. Oh, I wouldn't own a truck that wasn't 4x4. But if you want a 2x...you'll get 2-3mpg more.

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Old 02-16-2012, 05:59 PM   #31
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>>If Toyota made a 3/4 ton unit. I would buy it in a second. If my trailer was 22' or smaller I would buy a Toyota without hesitation.
Just FYI, I have a 2009 28' International CCD and I tow with a 2011 Tundra 5.7L w/tow package. It tows like a dream!
Previous owner had the same Tundra, but a 2008.
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Old 02-16-2012, 06:05 PM   #32
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>>If Toyota made a 3/4 ton unit. I would buy it in a second. If my trailer was 22' or smaller I would buy a Toyota without hesitation.
Just FYI, I have a 2009 28' International CCD and I tow with a 2011 Tundra 5.7L w/tow package. It tows like a dream!
Previous owner had the same Tundra, but a 2008.
I know, hijacking the thread = bad ju ju But I have to know, before we get back on trucks. How do you like that 2009 28ft International? I am torn between it and the 27ft. But I like the interior layout in the 28 I think...
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Old 02-16-2012, 06:12 PM   #33
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I know, hijacking the thread = bad ju ju But I have to know, before we get back on trucks. How do you like that 2009 28ft International? I am torn between it and the 27ft. But I like the interior layout in the 28 I think...
My deciding factor would be.....99% of the time when I have backed in to a campsite it for the view. I love the FB. I like to enjoy the spot. Plus with the bedroom up front I can keep an eye on the tow vehicle. Wouldn't have anything but a FB. I wouldn't like eating or lounging staring at a parking lot.

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Old 02-16-2012, 06:19 PM   #34
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>> How do you like that 2009 28ft International?
Well, ours is technically a 27 FB, but the actual length is 28'. We love it!! Started out with a 19' Bambi International and liked the lifestyle so well, we had to get a larger unit. The queen bed is a BIG draw since most of us spend 8 hours a day in bed and it's easy to get in and out of as well as make. Nice shower and bathroom as well as the panoramic windows at both ends. And, for my taste, I love the styling of the CCD. This is the trailer I'll keep as I don't want to go any larger. And, to bring it back to the original thread a little, it actually tows smoother than the Bambi did (maybe due to the dual axles).
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Old 02-16-2012, 11:43 PM   #35
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My deciding factor would be.....99% of the time when I have backed in to a campsite it for the view. I love the FB. I like to enjoy the spot. Plus with the bedroom up front I can keep an eye on the tow vehicle. Wouldn't have anything but a FB. I wouldn't like eating or lounging staring at a parking lot.

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If you were camping in our part of the country with a FB and rear lounge you would spend 99% of your time staring into thick brush and woods. But then who goes camping to sit inside anyway.

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Old 02-17-2012, 12:03 AM   #36
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The whole 1/2 ton vs/ 3/4 ton debate is not really that applicable... the Tundra (latest gen) is twice the truck a 3/4 ton was 10 years ago... Figure out what you need spec-wise, and get the truck you like. I tow with a Sequoia, but buddy has a 1 ton Chev diesel. My warranty costs after 90,000km... $0. Just regular service. His truck has gone through a complete rebuild on the front end... of course, just after the warranty was up.

What you get with a heavier truck you pay for...
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If you were camping in our part of the country with a FB and rear lounge you would spend 99% of your time staring into thick brush and woods. But then who goes camping to sit inside anyway.

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Exactly!..beats a parking lot view,IMO.

I have camped from Florida to Colorado....best views to be had are in the rear.

Did I actually say that?

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Chevy gets the worst reliability prize every time. I like Toyota and I wish they would make a bigger truck. I am sure they make one for the overseas market.

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The whole 1/2 ton vs/ 3/4 ton debate is not really that applicable... the Tundra (latest gen) is twice the truck a 3/4 ton was 10 years ago... Figure out what you need spec-wise, and get the truck you like. I tow with a Sequoia, but buddy has a 1 ton Chev diesel. My warranty costs after 90,000km... $0. Just regular service. His truck has gone through a complete rebuild on the front end... of course, just after the warranty was up.

What you get with a heavier truck you pay for...
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No Shane, what I'm saying' is there ain't no view out the rear in our neck of the woods. Better to have the lounge in the front.

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The whole 1/2 ton vs/ 3/4 ton debate is not really that applicable... the Tundra (latest gen) is twice the truck a 3/4 ton was 10 years ago... Figure out what you need spec-wise, and get the truck you like. I tow with a Sequoia, but buddy has a 1 ton Chev diesel. My warranty costs after 90,000km... $0. Just regular service. His truck has gone through a complete rebuild on the front end... of course, just after the warranty was up.

What you get with a heavier truck you pay for...
Well, if we're going anecdotal...

This year I had the first "non-wear-item" work done on my 1996 F250 diesel - a new water pump, and a leaking fuel pressure sensor I replaced myself for $30. After 176K miles, that seemed just fine to me.

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My '99 F250 7.3 was good especially the engine for reliability. The only repair was the differential needed rebuilding at about 100K miles. I sold it at 120K and the water pump needed replacement for second owner.

But one of the things which pointed me to the Tundra was the increasingly complex nature of the diesel engines. Fuel systems operating at 30K PSI, aftertreatment systems, rapid change and progress (can the techs keep up?) and general underhood complexity. Repairs on these engines out of warranty can be incredibly expensive. I do not need diesel for middleweight trailer.

So for me it came down to gas engine 250, the Tundra, or the Ecoboost. Most likely any one of them would have been fine for my 25 (it isn't a triple axle toyhauler). The Tundra works great, all I could have hoped for.
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We are a little over a month away from our first full year on the road as full-timers, and I can say that the bed of the truck is terribly important, and if we could do things a bit different (in hindsight) we would have likely opted for a F250 (but only for the longer bed). Having said that, our F150 has had no issues with power or towing thus far...but we also have a Great Dane that we travel with, and this crate in the back of the truck is enormous (in physical size) and it takes a lot of our cargo "room" away.

We find that the seasonal aspects of clothing and what not are difficult, and that we do go by a storage facility once every 4 or 5 months or so, although this year we won't return until March. We use the underneath parts of the rear seats for overflow clothing storage (ala jackets, etc), and keep all of our outdoor stuff in a series of bins in the bed of the truck.

I will also say that in our experience, the 3/4 ton trucks are stiff and not all that comfortable to drive around in when we're sight seeing, and we definitely like the spongier feel of our F150. We drive approximately 300 to 400 miles a week towing, and then lots and lots of smaller drives while sightseeing -- so for us having a vehicle specifically for the 300 mile tow to then be beat up during the "fun" parts seemed odd.
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