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Old 02-21-2012, 03:35 PM   #127
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Oh man this is going to be a tough choice.

Looked at a few Tundras this morning as well as a 2008 F250 6.4 Diesel. Our test drive route included dirt roads and interstate.

We liked the Tundra much more. I fit better in the seats and bumpy roads were much more pleasant. I was surprised at how both steered so well and didn't feel like I was driving a big truck. Had to push the brakes on both, but I'm used to a Subaru Impreza.

The Tundra was at the low end of our price range. $21k.. While the F250 was $30k.
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Old 02-21-2012, 03:55 PM   #128
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^^^^^ This ^^^^

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Old 02-21-2012, 03:57 PM   #129
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Oh man this is going to be a tough choice.

Looked at a few Tundras this morning as well as a 2008 F250 6.4 Diesel. Our test drive route included dirt roads and interstate.

We liked the Tundra much more. I fit better in the seats and bumpy roads were much more pleasant. I was surprised at how both steered so well and didn't feel like I was driving a big truck. Had to push the brakes on both, but I'm used to a Subaru Impreza.

The Tundra was at the low end of our price range. $21k.. While the F250 was $30k.
The mpg on the ford 6.4 are historically awful. Hope that helps.

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Old 02-21-2012, 05:23 PM   #130
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My experience with the Tundra almost exactly matches TouringDan's on post #123. My Tundra is an '09 Double Cab with 5.7 and 60k miles. I purchased it used with 53k and within 3 months took it on a month long vacation pulling our 25' Excella about 5000 miles. It was a breeze! Easy easy pull with lots of power, brakes, and payload to spare. We carry a Honda 2000i Generator and fuel under an ARE tonneau. We could easily pull 6 more feet of trailer. Before this '09 Tundra I had an '02 Tundra and used it to pull my Excella about 105,000 miles over 9 years. Not a single problem with that Tundra other than normal brakes every 60,000 miles and a leaky axle seal because I used some synthetic rear end fluid I wasn't supposed to use. I replaced the seal and problem solved. I sold it with 177k miles on it last September. The buyer was so glad to find it he called me 10 times in an hour after seeing it parked outside a Home Depot with a sign in the back window while I was inside shopping. The new Tundra is not as agile as the older one, but I can adapt.
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Old 02-21-2012, 06:09 PM   #131
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Cummins Power!

Allow me to muddy the waters a bit further

After my Excursion blew up, I traded it and bought a brand new Dodge Ram 2500 4-door long bed 4x4 with the Cummins turbo diesel.

My dad's best friend has owned a Cummins powered Ram since they first came out in '89. He routinely puts 300,000 miles on them and trades them off, still running great, on a new one about every 8-10 years.

My dad bought his '99 new in '99 and has had no problems of any kind with it.

OK, so I buy mine. I love it! Mine is what they call the 2004 1/2. Mid year they offered a heavier automatic tranny for it. Mine is rated 305hp and 555 ft-lbs of torque. I pull a 34' Avion triple axle that is heavier than an Airstream of the same year but a bit lighter than the last 34' Airstreams. Anyway, it grosses about 5 tons.

Running 70-75mph on the interstate I get about 12.5 mpg towing. It would probably do a lot better running 60mph, but I don't drive 60mph on I-95....as everybody else is running 80.... I get 19mpg running empty with it at 75mph, and I have gotten as high as 22mpg with it running 55-60 empty. My dad's buddy's truck is just like mine, only he got a 6-speed manual and his is a 2wd....he gets 24mpg running empty.

My buddy has a new Tundra like mentioned above with the 381hp. It's a nice truck, but torque wins the race and the Ram has gobs of it. I pulled my 34 footer over the Great Smokey Mountains and never hit a hill I could not accelerate up.

Admittedly, it is hard to find a used one with less than a million miles on it for a reasonable price. I myself wouldn't consider selling mine for less than $30K, and I don't care what Kelly or NADA says. I paid a lot more than that for mine, I am religious about the maintenance, and she looks like a brand new one seven years later.

Anyway, you'll be hard pressed to beat a Cummins diesel. My Ram is a big hulking beat with tons of power, and it gets 30% better economy than my old half ton Suburban did. Diesels rock, and Cummins diesels are like Heavy Metal if the rest are just rock and roll.

The only downside I've seen to the Cummins is the cost of entry. If you can get a deal on one, you'll not be displeased.





However, to muddy things even a bit further....when you say fulltiming, how often do you plan to move? In other words, if you'll set up in one spot for 6 months to a year and then move, you could just get a Miata and hire a guy to pull the trailer. Seriously....even Nicky and Tacey (Desi and Lucy....aka from The Long Long Trailer) were advised by the New Moon salesman to hire a pro to pull the trailer from CA to CO for them. But, if you plan to move fairly frequently, then you'll need a bigger rig than a Miata

Best of luck!
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Old 02-21-2012, 07:05 PM   #132
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I would echo Shane's comments and my earlier comments about mileage on the F250. I have a 2010 F250 Crew Cab short bed with 6.4L diesel, and the mileage solo on the highway routinely runs 14-16. Towing my Sport 22 (4500 lbs wet and loaded) drops me to 11, and my boat (26' on a double axle trailer, 6500 lbs. wet) drops me to about 9.

Taking into consideration that diesel fuel is also considerably higher in cost (15% in our neck of the woods) and that oil changes are substantially more expensive, you won't want to buy the diesel for cost savings.

However, in spite of bad mileage, the engine will pull a house. The ride is very comfortable and arguably much better than my prior F150.
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Old 02-21-2012, 07:10 PM   #133
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The Miata is a better idea than a 4 x 4 four door long bed Cummins diesel, unless you're pulling three 25' Airstreams. Or have some other use for it. At least it would be for us. Can't imagine having that as a daily driver when full timing.

No problem here with those who like to drive them, but a tow vehicle for a 25' ?

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Old 02-21-2012, 07:43 PM   #134
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The Miata is a better idea than a 4 x 4 four door long bed Cummins diesel, unless you're pulling three 25' Airstreams. Or have some other use for it. At least it would be for us. Can't imagine having that as a daily driver when full timing.

No problem here with those who like to drive them, but a tow vehicle for a 25' ?

doug k

I have a 2011 6.7 diesel superduty..I park and drive everywhere in the Dallas fort worth area. I also had a 2007 6.0 superduty..aka F250.. Been driving in the city and parking just fine.

Great trucks for towing and around town. It's not a difficult adjustment. Worth every penny. Better to be prepared than not!


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Old 02-21-2012, 07:48 PM   #135
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I would echo Shane's comments and my earlier comments about mileage on the F250. I have a 2010 F250 Crew Cab short bed with 6.4L diesel, and the mileage solo on the highway routinely runs 14-16. Towing my Sport 22 (4500 lbs wet and loaded) drops me to 11, and my boat (26' on a double axle trailer, 6500 lbs. wet) drops me to about 9.

Taking into consideration that diesel fuel is also considerably higher in cost (15% in our neck of the woods) and that oil changes are substantially more expensive, you won't want to buy the diesel for cost savings.

However, in spite of bad mileage, the engine will pull a house. The ride is very comfortable and arguably much better than my prior F150.
Not to completely go south..the 2011's to 12's are night and day comparison wise to the 08-10's.

Ride mpg and power.

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Old 02-21-2012, 07:48 PM   #136
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The Miata is a better idea than a 4 x 4 four door long bed Cummins diesel, unless you're pulling three 25' Airstreams.
Yes, seems to be a bit of macho overkill on the TV in these threads (i.e., far more TV than needed). Consider a Ford Edge hauling a 34' 2002 Classic. See link below...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f238...ml#post1109934
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Shane, agreed.... Timmah specifically mentioned a 2008 F250 diesel 6.4L that he was considering. I think anything newer is not a consideration here, based on price range.
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Yes, seems to be a bit of macho overkill on the TV in these threads (i.e., far more TV than needed).
I agree with this too... A diesel is certainly not required, nor is a 3/4 ton truck. However, you may like the 25' so much that you upgrade to a 30' trailer and then you'll have to change the TV too. It's a thought to consider. We just upgraded from a 22' to a 30' and I'm SO glad we already had the F250 for our other needs!
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Really?

Diesel is better than Gas.
Gas is better than Diesel.

My brake is bigger than your brake.

That axle will never make it, you need one like mine.

3/4 is better than 1/2
1/2 is fine, don't need 3/4

Tundra is better than Ford.
Ford is better than Tundra.

Weight rating is good
Weight rating is bad.


Sometimes we need to take a step back and just go with our gut. Style matters!
IMHO, one simply needs a TV with class!
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It appears a gas 3/4 ton wins overall.
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