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Old 01-02-2009, 03:16 PM   #15
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I read about what must be done to restart the engine should you run it dry and will try to avoid that!

I mentioned it to my Mrs - along with telling her how important it is not to put gas in by mistake! Having said that, it will likely be me who does it and she will just sit there quietly biting her tongue!

Fuel mileage doesn't seem very good as yet - judging by the averaging readout, but I guess that is to be expected on a new vehicle, we don't have 500 miles on it yet, and all driving has been around town so far.

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Brian,
It takes many miles to break in a diesel (some used to say 10k before its really broken in properly)..I know..what they say now but, I am of the old school..I still believe in the "break in period"..That includes the oil change, towing, speed changes( Get out there on the open road and, vary your speed..don't just do in town driving~..etc..
What are you're seeing now may well change later, however slight. What kind of mileage are you getting now?
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Old 01-02-2009, 03:17 PM   #16
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Here in Ontario Canada the diesel pumps are color coded yellow. Look for the yellow handle on the pump and the yellow sign.

Around here in smalltownville, gas stations that sell diesel put up a big sign with the price on it, along with the one with the regular gas price. So it is easy to tell who has diesel.

The pumps are located to make it easy to fill up a big truck or truck hauling a trailer. No doubt in urban areas they fill up mostly diesel cars but here in the country the farmers use a lot of diesel pickup trucks and duallies and haul big trailers with tractors on them or hay or other ag products. So the pumps are set up for the convenience of rigs as big as yours or bigger.

You shouldn't have any trouble. In fact you may find it easier to get fuel at rural service stations than in the city.

See you next summer!

Yellow colour coding, hmmmm! That's interesting, we are not too far from you, in Burlington Ontario, and the only station I have used so far (a Sunoco station) has their diesel pump handle coloured green! I guess maybe I need to really check closely each and every time to be 100% sure.

Presume if you should ever make a mistake you'd have to have the whole tank drained - if you realized it in time. Not sure how much damage and of what nature could be caused if you didn't realize the error! No doubt you couldn't expect warranty coverage to be much help though!
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Yellow colour coding, hmmmm! That's interesting, we are not too far from you, in Burlington Ontario, and the only station I have used so far (a Sunoco station) has their diesel pump handle coloured green! I guess maybe I need to really check closely each and every time to be 100% sure.

Presume if you should ever make a mistake you'd have to have the whole tank drained - if you realized it in time. Not sure how much damage and of what nature could be caused if you didn't realize the error! No doubt you couldn't expect warranty coverage to be much help though!
Brian,
I can relate to this issue~When I first bought my diesel...I had taken it for a test drive, right? Afterwards, I went back to sign and close the deal..I called the dealer to make sure that they would hold that one for me..Plus, I said, while you're at it..fill the fuel tank..After all the papers were signed..I couldn't hardly get out of the dealer's lot..It was so awful..Backed it up and, went back inside to have a "word" with them...They ended up putting it in the shop to check and, come to find out the "lot boy" who filled the tank,. filled it with GAS~!! well, they ended up replacing a huge part of the fuel delivery system. To the tune of several thousands dollars worth..And one month to get all the parts to repair the damage, etc.. It was, of course, covered~!
I will say this..a few years after taking delivery while on a trip, because I was tired or not thinking?? I had a brain fart while at the pump and, put in abt 1/2 gallon or less of gas with no ill effects..BUT..I don't recommend doing that~! mad at myself~!
SO..Yes, plse have no confusion at the pumps..
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It takes many miles to break in a diesel (some used to say 10k before its really broken in properly)..I know..what they say now but, I am of the old school..I still believe in the "break in period"..That includes the oil change, towing, speed changes( Get out there on the open road and, vary your speed..don't just do in town driving~..etc..
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Been trying to follow the manual so far - it says no towing, vary the speed, stay under about 55mph., etc for the first 500 miles. Our trip next month will be the first real exercise for the truck and I'll still take it pretty easy.

With our last trailer, (27ft award) I was accustomed to towing at 70-75mph on interstates because the trailer towed so well and we liked to cover long distances on the outbound leg of our trip, usually 1000 miles the first day out.

I'm thinking that from here on in though I may try to take life a bit easier, drive more slowly (60-65mph) and quit mid afternoon for a gin & tonic or two and a relaxing evening. Time to wake up to the fact that I'm
retired (ten years now!) and there's really no rush!

I did find that when we towed the AS home from the dealer in Ohio in September with our last truck, a half ton extended cab 4x4, I was getting a touch of sway at speeds around 65mph. Not sure if that is inherent in the trailer or maybe I didn't have the hitch set up right. Never had it with the Award.

Since then however, I got me a Hensley hitch, plus the new truck has a wheelbase about a foot longer so hopefully that will resolve things.

I think the Marathon tires are only rated to 65mph anyway, so that would be another good reason to stay below that speed!

The tires on my last trailer (also Marathons I think) all flew apart last winter in Fort Stockton Tx! Probably a combination of me driving too fast on them, plus their being about twice as old as recommended. Luckily no damage to the trailer, but one tire lost at least a foot of complete tread surface and once this happened, I found two other tires with the tread starting to separate

I'm trying to improve my bad habits!
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Just a word Brian..
Many states only allow 50 to 55mph for legal towing speed. But, there are as many that allow 60mph or higher..
Here's a link to that list..(covers Canada as well)
http://www.towingworld.com/articles/TowingLaws.htm
Something you mention..That afternoon toast to a great day travels, is well worth the early stop..Besides, you get to meet your neighbors~
Life is great~!!
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Just a word Brian..
Many states only allow 50 to 55mph for legal towing speed. But, there are as many that allow 60mph or higher..
Here's a link to that list..(covers Canada as well)
http://www.towingworld.com/articles/TowingLaws.htm
Something you mention..That afternoon toast to a great day travels, is well worth the early stop..Besides, you get to meet your neighbors~
Life is great~!!
Wow, That is a very handy list - thanks, I bookmarked it!

We have travelled in some of the states with 55mph towing limits, California being one as I recall.

Whenever I seen the signs when entering a state, I have dutifully dropped right down to the posted towing limits, but I'll have to admit it has only lasted as long as it took me to judge what others were doing!

I was never quite sure how strictly these reduced limits were enforced - guess I've been lucky so far!

I think you are right about the "afternoon toasts! - gotta learn to relax a bit more!

Incidentally, I am surprised at reading in the list the number of states on the that permit triple towing.

The used AS I bought came with a 2" hitch receiver on the rear. I'm pretty sure the PO must have been towing with it (as opposed to using it as a bike rack) because it also had a flat four wire trailer connector installed. KMaybe pulling a small boat or bike trailer I would imagine.

At first I thought it was my good luck because I could use the hitch to mount our bike rack.

From all the good info I gleaned from this forum however, I decided that might not be wise to hang the bikes on the back, so I had a hitch receiver put on the front of the new truck instead - as we had on our last truck - to carry our bicycles.

Now, I'm only hoping the PO hasn't caused damage to the trailer with whatever he was using the hitch for. I don't see any problem, but not quite sure what to look for.

I am debating whether to leave the hitch on or cut it off with an angle grinder.

At first I felt that if I wasn't going to use it, then I might as well take it off as it only adds weight and reduces ground clearance. But it was pointed out to me that it might save the bumper dragging & being damaged, so I'm still not sure what I will do with it! I guess it will stay on for our first trip at least!
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Old 01-02-2009, 04:52 PM   #21
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Brian,
Your right in wanting to cut it off at some point..It's just not worth the risks to cause the frame being distorted. (Think about that for a bit..) Factory was asked many yrs ago abt putting several drag wheels on the rear skid pad area and, the LOUD NO..was enough for me..
Andy of INLANDRV would be a good one to call or pm for what to look for in the rear..I have my own ideas but..I'm sure it's best to ask a "PRO" that question..
The bike rack on the front of your TV is a excellent spot, as long as it does not obstruct your view..
IMHO, I have to say..I would never, ever attempt to tow another trailer hooked behind an A/S trailer. Just too scary for me to even think abt..
The triple towing is for those huge tractor trailer combinations..
I am definitely not in favor of allowing that~ After I saw the videos on triple trailers swaying all over the road..YIKES
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Diesel fuel USED to be cheap. Haven't figured out why it is $0.80 more than regular these days. Today I saw diesel for $1.96. Cheapest I have seen in years.

I keep a fuel book in my truck. I've written down 99% of all the fuel/milage/cost in my 02 Silverado. Just interesting data on pulling a trailer vs empty, etc.

Fuel up before hitching up.
Put Diesel stations in your GPS if you travel by them regularly. I can always see how far away I am from previously used stations.
Keep a pair of rubberized gloves in the door pocket of your truck. Diesel sticks to your hands stronger than Old Spice.
DON'T LET YOUR WIFE FUEL THE TRUCK! :]
Know you made the right decision in driving diesel. 128K miles on this truck and barely broken in. 10 quart Rotilla oil change every 9K miles. Oil samples sent to Blackstone Lab for analysis about ever 3rd oil change.
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U will not see an appreciable change in fuel mileage till maybe 60k miles. Baby that diesel with TLC. BUT don't baby that diesel. Change that oil with regularity at about 10k miles. Two things diesels need CLEAN FUEL and CLEAN AIR. Check air filter every oil change and replace with it looks dirty.Change fuel filters at the oil change.
Diesels are made to pull so let it but not to the point of lugging it(too low rpm in full throttle position)Oh DID I mention NOT shuting off the engine as soon as you pull in to a parking spot.Let it run about 2 minutes to let the turbo cool. This saves the seals. Turbo Temps can reach 750 to 900 degrees Farienhet.I could explain it better in person.
U mentioned a hitch on the rear of your new to U trailer. If ya have an angle grinder CUT THAT THING OFF. The damage may have already been done by the PO. AIRSTREAM Frames are not made to pull anything or carry anything on the rear of the trailer.
I know U are comming south soon so why not make it a point to come this way and stop at the Airstream Plant. You can talk to Service personal and Tour the plant and see for yourself how they are built and what everyone is trying to tell you about frame issues is absolutely TRUE.
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Something we have found helpful in easier accessible diesel stops is a book available at Camping World or online titled Next Exit. It lists every exit on US interstate highways with information on dining with RV friendly diesel stations highlighted in red. This also helps planning stops in advance to avoid low fuel warning lights.
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Think about a 2nd tank. We have a secondary 50 gallon tank in the back of the bed.. Trans flow are the best. We have 900 mile plus range and can always find the right gas station with that kinda range.
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Buy a spare fuel filter and have it in the truck if you get a load of bad fuel - CHEAP insurance, don't ask.

Buy from volume fuel dealers - been said before in the thread - good advice.

Oil, oil filters and air filters in a regular maintenance schedule as suggested buy the manufacturer is a must. Nothing is more foul than the oil I change in my F250 every 5000 miles - just filthy. I can tell the difference in the performance in my truck with a new air filter.

You will (again, don't ask) one day put a GAS nozzle in your truck - make it a habit of asking yourself - IS THIS A DIESEL PUMP?? each time you fuel up. I say it out loud - the co-pilot kinda laughs each time. Gerrrrrrrr.......

Keep the truck full as possible when at home for long periods of time - keeps the air volume down to a minimum in the tank - keeps the humidity out and forming condensation from accumulating in the fuel.

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Your right in wanting to cut it off at some point..It's just not worth the risks to cause the frame being distorted. (Think about that for a bit..) Factory was asked many yrs ago abt putting several drag wheels on the rear skid pad area and, the LOUD NO..was enough for me..
Andy of INLANDRV would be a good one to call or pm for what to look for in the rear..I have my own ideas but..I'm sure it's best to ask a "PRO" that question..
The bike rack on the front of your TV is a excellent spot, as long as it does not obstruct your view..
IMHO, I have to say..I would never, ever attempt to tow another trailer hooked behind an A/S trailer. Just too scary for me to even think abt..
The triple towing is for those huge tractor trailer combinations..
I am definitely not in favor of allowing that~ After I saw the videos on triple trailers swaying all over the road..YIKES
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Yep, my inclination is to cut it off - probably won't have the chance before our first southbound trip though as the trailer is now buried in snow at our storage spot some 20 miles from the house. We'll likely bring it home the day before we start the trip and be fully occupied packing things!

I suppose it won't take much to cut it off though, so maybe if the weather is conducive the day I bring the trailer home I'll give it a go.

We used the bike rack on the front of our last truck with good success. technically I suspect it may not be 100% legal as most highway codes forbid anything that obstruct view or headlights.

I found that while effect on field of view was minimal, it does cut teh effectiveness of the headlights a little - not enough to really be a concern especially as we seldom tow at night.

The hitch position on the new truck is much higher - the receiver is right behind the license plate.

It put the bikes much higher into the field of vision, so I cut down and rewelded the bike rack to suit and also made a simple arrangement to mount my license plate onto an adapter that goes into the receiver when the bike rack is not in place. Once the rack is on, the license goes back onto a bracket on the front of the bike rack.

I think it will work out just fine. Only slight problem is that compared to the installation on the last truck, you really have to lie on your back and get up under the front of the truck to pull the pin on the hitch. Not such a big deal.


I too would never dream of trying to tow behind the trailer!
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Diesel fuel USED to be cheap. Haven't figured out why it is $0.80 more than regular these days. Today I saw diesel for $1.96. Cheapest I have seen in years.

I keep a fuel book in my truck. I've written down 99% of all the fuel/milage/cost in my 02 Silverado. Just interesting data on pulling a trailer vs empty, etc.

Fuel up before hitching up.
Put Diesel stations in your GPS if you travel by them regularly. I can always see how far away I am from previously used stations.
Keep a pair of rubberized gloves in the door pocket of your truck. Diesel sticks to your hands stronger than Old Spice.
DON'T LET YOUR WIFE FUEL THE TRUCK! :]
Know you made the right decision in driving diesel. 128K miles on this truck and barely broken in. 10 quart Rotilla oil change every 9K miles. Oil samples sent to Blackstone Lab for analysis about ever 3rd oil change.
SMILE when you start that precision monster up!
From what I understand, the change in relative price of diesel (used to be cheaper than gas) relates to a combination of factors

- current tax levels on diesel are higher.

- good old supply & demand economics.

There is a much increased demand for diesel these days in that the developing countries are very heavy diesel users.

With the mandated switch to ultra low sulphur diesel, there are not yet enough refineries on line able to produce this product.

That's what I've read anyway!

I'm pretty much used to diesel fuel smell and diesel engine noises - worked as a mechanical engineer on the Canadian National Railway for 34 years! I kind of like both the smell & noise myself although my wife doesn't share my enthusiasm!

I was actually a bit disappointed that our new Duramax didn't have quite as much diesel rattle as I was expecting!

As for getting the stuff on your hands, the first thing I did was stock up the front door cubby with a supply of those blue disposable nitrile gloves! Haven't used any yet as the only pump I have used so far - at our local gas station - is surprisingly clean and unsmelly! My wife did fill up the truck the other day on her way home and had no adverse comment (or smell!) when she arrived home!

I used to change oil religiously on my last (gas) truck every 3 months or
3000km., with the huge amount of oil this thing takes, I think I'll be stretching that out a little!

Oil analysis is an interesting possibility. Many years ago I was involved in setting up atomic absorption spectrometers in the railway's oil test labs all across Canada for wear metals analysis of locomotive lube oil.
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