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Old 02-11-2009, 09:53 AM   #1
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February 11, 2009 - 12:15 am ET
WASHINGTON -- Four 2009 full-sized pickups got low marks in side-impact crash tests by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, a research group for auto insurers.
Crash protection is "poor" in crew-cab versions of the Chevrolet Silverado and Nissan Titan without side-impact airbags, according to test results the institute released today.
The Dodge Ram with standard side-impact airbags got only a "marginal" rating, the institute said. The Titan with optional side airbags also was rated marginal. The Silverado with optional side airbags still was rated poor, the institute added.
The Silverado results also apply to its sibling, the GMC Sierra, the institute said.
The institute's four rating categories are good, acceptable, marginal and poor.
Although pickups are touted as workhorses, the side-impact crash protection in the tested models is "wimpy at best," the institute said in a statement.
Three pickups tested earlier got "good" scores in side-impact crash tests, which simulate being struck by another pickup or SUV moving at 31 mph. Those models getting good side-impact scores were the Honda Ridgeline, Ford F-150 and Toyota Tundra, all with side-impact airbags.
All of the full-sized pickups tested got good scores in frontal-impact crashes, conducted at 40 mph.
But pickups, which have advantages of size, weight and height, also should do a good job of protecting occupants in side crashes, said David Zuby, the institute's senior vice president. He contended the Silverado, Titan and Ram "still miss the mark."
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Looks like my F-250 was the right choice!
Not to be a downer - but your F-250 doesn't have the curtain airbags or the same cab crash structure as a 2009 F-150. In other words, the results won't carry across.
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Here is the thing.. The smart car got great crash ratings. But what happens when a full size truck hits it? unless you are getting hit by another full size truck a car will go under the side of most of the full size trucks.

Tests are not always what they appear.
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Not to be a downer - but your F-250 doesn't have the curtain airbags or the same cab crash structure as a 2009 F-150. In other words, the results won't carry across.
Yes, true, these tests mean nothing to most of us. Guess it is too expensive to test HD trucks. The HD trucks have ~ 50% greater mass than smaller trucks mostly due to chassis and related components. I would not want to get hit by my truck driving a smart car, dumb car, or any car.
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Ditto on BillTex's remarks !!


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It appears that they did not test any 3/4 or 1 ton heavy duty pickups and also got the Honda confused, it is not a full size pickup.
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Unless you are getting hit by another full size truck a car will go under the side of most of the full size trucks.
You're right about frontal IIHS tests. Those are only comparable for vehicles within the same weight crash. But side impact tests are different.

The IIHS side impact test simulates an Explorer-height and weight vehicle hitting the side of a vehicle. Doesn't matter if its a small car being tested or a big truck - it's simulating an impact by the same vehicle.

Despite curtain airbags, to do well in this test a vehicle also needs side structure and features like foam hip "pushers" in the doors that will absorb and distribute the force of this type of crash.

By the way, the Smart did great in the side impact test - but it basically bounced off of the ramming vehicle, spinning into the air.

The IIHS is likely to focus their testing on mainstream vehicles that are predominently purchased by consumers. While (obviously) this forum is evidence that there is a market for heavy-duty trucks among consumers towing heavy loads, the vast majority of these trucks are sold for commercial use.
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My vehicle buying decision has never and will likley never consider crash testing. If it is my time I could be a gonner when I step out of this building.

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Not to be a downer - but your F-250 doesn't have the curtain airbags or the same cab crash structure as a 2009 F-150. In other words, the results won't carry across.

Yes but she's put hers to the real world test!!!

Which reminds me...Ahh, I'm afraid I won't be able to catch that ride with you to the next rally.........
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It appears that they did not test any 3/4 or 1 ton heavy duty pickups and also got the Honda confused, it is not a full size pickup.
No, but it acts like one.
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