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Old 09-12-2013, 10:50 PM   #29
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Moflash and 7GenTex: the option is called "HD Payload" if you are looking to order it. It comes with those particular wheels because it has 7-lug hubs and 17" E-rated tires. You know, like a truck or something.

Lariat is the highest trim you can order with HD Payload, and I think you won't find it in a short enough truck for the short garage unless perhaps the short cab long box fits. HOA won't let you park outside eh? HOAs are a boil on the buttocks of American society.
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Old 09-12-2013, 11:03 PM   #30
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Thanks but I traded my F150 for a F350 6.7 turbo diesel supercrew and it came with 20i inch wheels and they are truck wheels .....hmmm
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The max trailer weight that you can tow means nothing.

Set your sights on two specs- the truck gvwr (the maximum allowable weight of the truck) and the truck rear axle weight rating (the max allowable weight the rear axle can carry). Both can be measured at a truck scale.

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Dan,

Couldn't agree more...well maybe "not all that relevant" is how I'd put it.

Been trying to get GAWR out there for years as an important limiting number.

POI...check the build sheet for your AS, compare axle spec's to GVWR, you may be surprised. I was with our 03 Classic.

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Old 09-13-2013, 06:48 AM   #32
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Aren't the prices of a maxed out F-150 more than a nicely equipped F-250/350? If you need more truck buy more truck.

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The max trailer weight that you can tow means nothing.

You will exceed the max payload long before you get to the max trailer weight.

Set your sights on two specs- the truck gvwr (the maximum allowable weight of the truck) and the truck rear axle weight rating (the max allowable weight the rear axle can carry). Both can be measured at a truck scale.

For example, I have an 08 Tundra. The truck gvwr is 6,900 lbs, the rawr is 4,100 lbs. I am not going to use the following figures, but the payload is 1,680 lbs and the max tow rating is 10,600 lbs. When I load my truck including gas, wife, two dogs, small genny, bed cap, chairs, grill, tools, 2x8 planks and other stuff, and attach it to my 5,000 lb trailer I am essentially at the truck gvwr of 6,900 lbs. I am 200 lbs under the rawr of 4,100 lbs. Remember that my trailer weighs only 5,000 lbs. See why the max tow rating is meaningless.
Sorry but I don't see the max trailer weight as meaningless. My Lariat ecoboost is rated to tow 11,300 lbs. Of course that is with the truck empty with no added accesories. One driver at 150 lbs and full tank of gas is included. Payload capacity is 1755 lbs., so subtract the hitch weight and you have the amount of weight you can add to the payload in gear and people. This then needs to be subtracted from the trailer weight as well. But by loading gear into your trailer and carefully monitoring the placement you can affect the weight distribution in the trailer as long as you don't exceed the GWR of the trailer. So I have no problem towing a 7300 lb trailer without exceeding hitch weight or payload. You can not make blanket statements solely based upon what your Toyota can do and what you personally pack.
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Sorry but I don't see the max trailer weight as meaningless. My Lariat ecoboost is rated to tow 11,300 lbs. Of course that is with the truck empty with no added accesories. One driver at 150 lbs and full tank of gas is included. Payload capacity is 1755 lbs., so subtract the hitch weight and you have the amount of weight you can add to the payload in gear and people. This then needs to be subtracted from the trailer weight as well. But by loading gear into your trailer and carefully monitoring the placement you can affect the weight distribution in the trailer as long as you don't exceed the GWR of the trailer. So I have no problem towing a 7300 lb trailer without exceeding hitch weight or payload. You can not make blanket statements solely based upon what your Toyota can do and what you personally pack.
Hear, Hear! Also, sometimes we here get blinders on relative to our pretty narrow view of the towing world...ASes. Boaters, for example, can easily approach GCWR without arriving at RGAWR.
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I have recently run the numbers (max towing, GVWR, GRAWR) on every American made 1/2 ton truck looking for a way I could pull our trailer, and haul all the "stuff" we normally haul, and do it within the numbers, irrespective of the way they do it in Canada.

My findings were the max size Airstream I could safely tow, and stay within manufacturer's weight specs, is a 25 footer, generally speaking.

Yes, I know some of you tow larger and heavier trailers successfully with a 1/2 ton, but, 1. You may not haul as much stuff as we normally do, and 2. You actually may not be within the number specs.

Good luck with whatever you decide to tow with.
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Steve, wait for the 6.2, Max Tow specs this fall on Silverado/Sierra. There will be a gain in rgawr as well as a hint of more spring capacity. It gets a little larger gear set as well.

Also, I imagine the all 2015 F150 will boost their capacities to compete.

I THINK these trucks MAY make a 30'er, with toys a real possibility.
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Steve, wait for the 6.2, Max Tow specs this fall on Silverado/Sierra. There will be a gain in rgawr as well as a hint of more spring capacity. It gets a little larger gear set as well.

Also, I imagine the all 2015 F150 will boost their capacities to compete.

I THINK these trucks MAY make a 30'er, with toys a real possibility.
That's a good thing because the current differential that us old hotrodders call an "8 bolt", is the weakest thing in the drive train in the current 1/2 ton trucks.

Hope the axles and wheel bearings are improved as well.
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These discussions on 1/2 ton truck capabilities is like talking to the wall at times.As Steve also points out.Payload is not just determined by just spring rates.There are many other critical parts on a vehicle that come into play when attempting pull a large Airstream trailer across the country.The automakers trend of advertising overinflated tow ratings along with uninformed salespeople and sales managers make for a dangerous combination for the customer that buys a new vehicle thinking they have made the right choice.There are many differences between a 1/2 ton and a 3/4 or 1ton.
Some trucks are built for light duty use and some are built to do more its that simple.
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Robert Cross- Yup, "not all that relevant" would have been a much better way to put it than "meaningless".

mojo- I am not sure what your point is. My Tundra is probably typical of the payload capacity for 1/2 ton trucks, and I don't think I carry much more in my truck than the average Airstreamer. My point is that I am at the truck limit with a small trailer. I don't know where you are concerning gvwr or rawr with your 7,300 lb trailer. You may be close to the limit or you may be way under, but your trailer weighs 4,000 lbs less than the max tow rating of 11,300 lbs. Have you weighed your truck at a scale?

My point is that the average rv'er will buy your truck and figure he can load it up with people and all his stuff and then tow an 11,300 lb trailer. We both know that he will be way over the TV gvwr and the rawr.

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The point is, I could tow an additional 2245 lbs. ie: a much longer, heavier trailer and the ecoboost can pull it. And that's meaningful to me.
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Sorry but I don't see the max trailer weight as meaningless. My Lariat ecoboost is rated to tow 11,300 lbs. Of course that is with the truck empty with no added accesories. One driver at 150 lbs and full tank of gas is included. Payload capacity is 1755 lbs., so subtract the hitch weight and you have the amount of weight you can add to the payload in gear and people. This then needs to be subtracted from the trailer weight as well. But by loading gear into your trailer and carefully monitoring the placement you can affect the weight distribution in the trailer as long as you don't exceed the GWR of the trailer. So I have no problem towing a 7300 lb trailer without exceeding hitch weight or payload. You can not make blanket statements solely based upon what your Toyota can do and what you personally pack.
Be careful how you rate the load capacity of your AS, you are in the same position I am with our Classic.....7300lb GVWR on 7000lbs worth of axles.

JC has updated the axle ratings on some of the newer models, I hope they also updated the axles.
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Be careful how you rate the load capacity of your AS, you are in the same position I am with our Classic.....7300lb GVWR on 7000lbs worth of axles.
Yes but not all of the weight is resting on the axles. The jack stand and hitch carry a portion of the weight. I have spent a lot of time with a Sherline hitch scale and unlimited weighs at the local co-op scales in order to measure various set-ups with my Ford Ecoboost and VW Touareg. Remember, all of the manufacturer ratings are calculated numbers based on some theoretical formula. I'm not aware of any manufacturer that has done actual tests adding weight until something breaks in order to set empirical towing and hitch and payload weights.

I'm not saying it is safe to ignore these numbers but I do average around 15K miles of AS towing annually and have been doing so with these vehicles for the past 7 years so I am pretty comfortable with what they can do when at max limits.
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