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Old 03-08-2009, 12:01 AM   #15
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What specific needs require a nationwide search?
I am looking for a 1 ton, diesel, 4x4, longbed, standard shift, single rear wheels and either an extended cab or four door.

My toolboxes won't fit on a shortbed, and from what I've been told the shortbeds are now outselling the longbeds by 10 to 1. (I can't substantiate this claim, it is just what some dealer has told me.)

I refuse to drive an automatic transmission, and that means a long hard search to find a standard trans.

And, the majority of 1 ton pickups are dually. I could probably use a dually, but it is quite a bit of overkill and poor fuel mileage. They are also quite a bit more difficult to get in and out of parking lots. (Currently, I get quite a nasty look from somebody every time I use two or three parking spaces at Wallyworld.)

Because of all the problems that the new trucks have been having with the DPF, I was avoiding them. Finding a used, low mileage truck with the above options is not easy. I am starting to think that ordering a new truck may be the only way to find what I'm looking for, and that has led me to the Dodge dealer.

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Old 03-08-2009, 01:17 AM   #16
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I am looking for a 1 ton, diesel, 4x4, longbed, standard shift, single rear wheels and either an extended cab or four door.

And, the majority of 1 ton pickups are dually.

Because of all the problems that the new trucks have been having with the DPF, I was avoiding them. Finding a used, low mileage truck with the above options is not easy. I am starting to think that ordering a new truck may be the only way to find what I'm looking for, and that has led me to the Dodge dealer.

Woody
If you go with a Dodge, I think you will find that many of the 1 ton (3500) are out there in the single real wheel versions, and you are right about the manual transmission, that will be the hard part of the equation. And if you are worried about the newer diesels with the DPF, look for a good used 2006 or early 2007 with the 5.9 CTD. My guess is that you can find more 5.9's combined with manual trans because years back Dodge had some auto tans issues that pushed folks to manuals. Because Dodge switched to the new 6 speed auto with the late 2007 6.7 CTD, autos are far more in ratio now. Just some observations that may help your decision.
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Old 03-08-2009, 06:01 AM   #17
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If you want a used one-ton truck, you are better off looking at dedicated truck dealers. I did a quick search at truckpaper.com for Ford F-350s (365 for sale nationally). There are plenty of diesels. There are plenty of single single rear wheel trucks. There are extended and crew cabs, but not as many. Scanning the first two pages quickly, it looks like almost everything is an automatic. As noted by Timemachine... that's your biggest challenge.

If you have your heart set on a standard transmission, I see two reasonable options. Order new from the factory (and I think Ford or Dodge would be delighted to build to your specifications) or find a low-mileage Ford 350 or Dodge 3500 with a bad automatic transmission and swap in a manual. When we have ordered fleet trucks, I have not noticed a $10,000 difference between Dodge and Ford for identically configured factory order trucks... but your mileage my vary.

Finding a used, low mileage, 4WD, single rear wheel, long bed, extended or crew cab Ford F-350 diesel with a stick... the odds are pretty long. I did a Yahoo Auto search for 300 miles of home, an area which includes DC, Baltimore, Philadelphia and NYC. There were 88 used 350s for sale. The keyword search on "manual" lowered the results to 11, only two of which were manual transmissions. You have specific and apparently inflexible requirements for a used truck. The dealer's focus is to sell what's on the lot, or to convince you that what's on the lot will meet your needs. If open the conversation your laundry list of requirements and comments like "I refuse to drive a stick," I would expect the dealer to be polite, but to simply say, "Sorry, we don't have anything like that." Some folks might call this a cold shoulder, but I wouldn't be so inclined.

Good luck with your search.
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Old 03-08-2009, 07:24 AM   #18
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I used to be a big Ford fan. I was very committed to always owning a Ford until the last time I went to buy a new truck. They blew me off and they did not want to even take the time to show me around the lot. I was told just go out there and look. They did not want to to deal with me at all. They made me feel like I was not going to be able to afford one of their trucks.

I went to Dodge and they were the nicest dealers I have ever met. Their customer service was the best I have experienced. They took a lot of money off the sticker price for me and to this day they still treat me like their best customer. I love my truck and my inlaws are happy because they are huge Chrysler fans. Ford calls me about every six months wanting to know if I am interested in a new truck. I blow them off and I told them about my experience.

I drive a 4.6L Ram 1500 Quad Cab and I pull my 73 Overlander with it. I am sure that is not big enough but I don't have to deal with mountains and I don't pull over 60 miles an hour. I have never had a problem with pulling the trailer.. I do pull it with no liquids or extra weight. I take care of the extra weight when I get where I am going.

I have a small mountian I have to climb in TN, which causes me about 30 minutes of extra work on the truck.

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Old 03-08-2009, 07:50 AM   #19
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My father in-law would not buy a Chevy because when he was in the Navy he went into buy a car and they told him he couldn't afford it, that was over 30 years ago in another state. He could never get past that it was not Chevy it was the dealer who treated him badly. I just proves that dealer impressions are very important to the buyer sometime more important than the quality of the product. I to like good service and respect.
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Old 03-08-2009, 08:10 AM   #20
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There are about 4,400 Ford dealerships in the U.S. I'm sure, as with many businesses, there are some good ones and some bad ones. I remember the pre-Internet days when looking for a truck meant buying the paper (or for the big folks, the AutoTrader). Growing up in Montana, shopping at another dealership meant driving and hour-and-a-half to Kalispell or three-and-a-half hours to Spokane. Overall, I think there is more competition and far better information for consumers. I bought my last personal truck at CarMax. I had a great experience, but it was just one outlet... which is my point about Ford dealerships.
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I am looking for a 1 ton, diesel, 4x4, longbed, standard shift, single rear wheels and either an extended cab or four door.

Dodge Quad-Cab 3500, diesel, 4X4 long bed, six speed (2EG), single rear wheel (AR9) combo is pretty specific and probably the least stocked configuration out there. I located about 6 new with-in 500 miles of me. I'm in WV. Only one '08.

Woody, you mention your tool boxes. I'm guessing this is the reason for needing the ton. Other than pay load capacity, I'm not sure there is significant difference between the 3/4 and 1 ton when talking Dodge diesel trucks. The 3/4 ton diesel is beefier than the 3/4 ton gas. 3/4 ton trucks are easier to find than single rear wheel tons in the Dodge.

Also, some here would say that the stiffness of the single-rear-wheel ton may not be good for your trailer. They're pretty rigid trucks.

I have two friends in NC that have experience with both Dodge and Ford diesel trucks, they have owned both. I think they prefer the Ford comfort. They are both in Crew Cab King Ranch models but they will both agree that for engine dependability and fuel mileage the Dodge trucks win hands down. Their Ford/Navistar diesel engines have been nothing but trouble.

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Some people expect nothing but the best and other settle for the rest! If you want the reliablity and the most dependable and longest lasting truck on the road. Its simple you will have to buy a GMC or CHEVY~!
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1 Dodge = 2 Fords = 5 Chevs.

Based on 20 years experience working in garages in farm country.

I understand they are more equal today. Dodge has let their quality slip to where they are not much better than the others. Better but not by the margin they used to have.
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I've had both Ford and Dodge trucks-never ever another Ford. They would not do their warranty work. I had a bad transmission from day one which they did fix until it totally destructed and then a rust issue where the dealer told me if "that was a GM or Dodge they would fix it but Ford won't until it rusts totally through". I took his advice and fixed it with a new Dodge. I have been been very pleased with my Dodge trucks and the dealers ever since. I hope all the manufacturers stay in business so we can have a choice in the future.
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If you're going with diesel, you can't go wrong with Cummins. An '07 or older 5.9L is the way to go.
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Old 03-08-2009, 10:46 AM   #26
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Shermantic,

I really appreciate your comments, and the fact that you have taken the time to help.

I owned a 1976 Chevy Malibu, and had it for twelve years. It was a great car, and never left me walking. That car was a beautiful, red, low miles showcar. I took it to car shows all over Ohio, and never won anything. lol

Under normal circumstances I would consider a GM product, but there is one thing that has kept me from looking. The Chevy has been eliminated from the equation because of the front axle that they use. I've seen and heard of far too many people having to take their Chevy/GMC trucks in for new half shafts and some other related part (don't remember, as I've not had enough coffee yet this morning) that costs about $700.

About four years ago, I helped my neighbor replace the half shaft in his Chevy. Two weeks later, he broke it again.

I had a 1979 Jeep CJ7 with the 304 V8 engine when I was attending school in the mountains of southeast Ohio. I literally beat the *snot* out of that Jeep, and never had to do anything to the axles. Though I did wrench on other parts quite often. The experience has made me a believer in the solid front axle.

On a side note:
Me and my roommates rolled that Jeep over on it's side in order to replace the clutch. I wish I had pics with me, I'd post one.

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Dodge Quad-Cab 3500, diesel, 4X4 long bed, six speed (2EG), single rear wheel (AR9) combo is pretty specific and probably the least stocked configuration out there. I located about 6 new with-in 500 miles of me. I'm in WV. Only one '08.

Woody, you mention your tool boxes. I'm guessing this is the reason for needing the ton. Other than pay load capacity, I'm not sure there is significant difference between the 3/4 and 1 ton when talking Dodge diesel trucks. The 3/4 ton diesel is beefier than the 3/4 ton gas. 3/4 ton trucks are easier to find than single rear wheel tons in the Dodge.

Also, some here would say that the stiffness of the single-rear-wheel ton may not be good for your trailer. They're pretty rigid trucks.

I have two friends in NC that have experience with both Dodge and Ford diesel trucks, they have owned both. I think they prefer the Ford comfort. They are both in Crew Cab King Ranch models but they will both agree that for engine dependability and fuel mileage the Dodge trucks win hands down. Their Ford/Navistar diesel engines have been nothing but trouble.

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Roger,

Thank you for your comments.

That is correct about the toolboxes. I carry just under 1000 pounds of tools with me, and need extra capacity for materials. I recently had the truck towed, and the tow truck driver mentioned that it was quite heavy.

I do worry a bit about the stiffness of the truck being not so good for the trailer. I don't travel very often, and just take it from jobsite to jobsite. I'm a full-timer, and usually stuck in one place for about a year at a time. (Except when it gets really cold, then I rent a cabin or something.)

I know on the Ford trucks that the only difference between the 1 ton and 3/4 ton is the helper spring. I'm not sure about the Dodge.

The experiences that your friends have had is also one of the reasons I have decided to look to the Dodge. I've heard similar stories. Reliable transportation is an absolute must for me, and I've yet to hear anything bad about the Dodge trucks. Er, other than creature comforts.

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If you want a used one-ton truck, you are better off looking at dedicated truck dealers. I did a quick search at truckpaper.com for Ford F-350s (365 for sale nationally). There are plenty of diesels. There are plenty of single single rear wheel trucks. There are extended and crew cabs, but not as many. Scanning the first two pages quickly, it looks like almost everything is an automatic. As noted by Timemachine... that's your biggest challenge.


Good luck with your search.
Thanks for the link, I'll have to check this out.

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