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Old 07-02-2009, 08:52 AM   #1
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Ford V10 2WD

Anybody towing with a F250 V10 2WD ? I'm thinking about a 2010 ext. cab, but want to know about mileage and a hard ride . I have a 05 28' and now towing with a 03 Dodge Quad Cab Hemi with 4:10 gears . Love the Hemi, but It's got 110000 miles on it.
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Old 07-03-2009, 11:34 PM   #2
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That engine wasn't exactly the greatest thing that ever came out of the Ford factory. If I was you, I'd look at the diesel. The new 6.4 is a GREAT engine.

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I love my ford v10 !--trouble free for the last 130,000--I pull a 16 ft enclosed trailer loaded with pottery and steel, and get 11mpg at 65mph-I have all the power needed-I can hardly feel my 71 safari behind it--good luck---jim
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Old 07-04-2009, 08:32 AM   #4
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MY 2000 Excursion get 9.5 MPG for all my towing avg.at 55-60 MPH, 15.9 not towing at 65-75 MPH,and 13.4 city not towing.I am towing 7500 LBS squarestream with lots of it in the mountains.
I never had any problem with the V10. I mainly use it for towing and it only has 55,000 miles.
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The ONLY problem with the V10 was it's propensity to spit a plug now and again, and that's not as big a deal as it's made out to be. I don't think the later models have that problem at all. It's a great engine. I've had two of them now, one in a Y2K Excursion and one in a Y2K1 E450 moho chassis and had no issues with either.

They're $6k less expensive than the diesel. There's no way to ever make up the cost of a diesel engine if you buy one new in gas mileage savings. The maintenance is a wash... now that the V10 has a 100,000 mile tuneup. The cost of twice the oil over the life of the diesel costs more than the tuneup. Also, the new diesels will be even more expensive because of the EPA regulations. Gas remains much easier to find than Diesel too.

I used to get 15-17mpg unladen highway with the Excursion and 9-11 mpg in the Born Free moho with the V10.

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Old 07-04-2009, 10:01 AM   #6
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The ONLY problem with the V10 was it's propensity to spit a plug now and again, and that's not as big a deal as it's made out to be. I don't think the later models have that problem at all. It's a great engine. I've had two of them now, one in a Y2K Excursion and one in a Y2K1 E450 moho chassis and had no issues with either.

They're $6k less expensive than the diesel. There's no way to ever make up the cost of a diesel engine if you buy one new in gas mileage savings. The maintenance is a wash... now that the V10 has a 100,000 mile tuneup. The cost of twice the oil over the life of the diesel costs more than the tuneup. Also, the new diesels will be even more expensive because of the EPA regulations. Gas remains much easier to find than Diesel too.

I used to get 15-17mpg unladen highway with the Excursion and 9-11 mpg in the Born Free moho with the V10.

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The propensity to spit a plug is a risk I wouldn't be willing to take. I'm a life long Ford fan, but I'd never buy that engine. When the plug spits, it ruins the head. The fix is only $3500, and the customer has ALWAYS paid for it out of pocket. The new head may or may not do it again. Some people have been lucky.........

The 100,000 mile tune up debate was discussed in detail in another thread, but I'll sum it up. Ask any mechanic if it is a good idea to do so, and they will reply with a resounding, "NO". One should always replace the plugs at no more than 30,000 miles. There are a few retired mechanics on the forum here, ask any of them.

The fuel mileage savings alone will reduce your lifetime costs with a diesel. Diesel fuel contains up to 40% more BTU's per unit than gas (this depends of the grade of fuel). The 6.4 can get up to 22 mpg unladen and 17 towing heavy, the gasser will never get anything near that. Maintenance costs will also save you a ton of money over the lifetime. You can only expect to get about 200,000 miles out of the gasser before a major over haul is needed, whereas the diesel is known to be able to go 700,000 to 1 mil miles before major service. The auxiliaries R&R cost such as waterpump, starter, alternator will be a wash.

When I hit 140,000 miles on my old truck (gasser), I was afraid to drive it across town for fear of it breaking down. My current truck (diesel) has over 209,000 miles on it, and I drive all over the country with it. I plan to keep it for at least another 200k before I trade it in.

When towing my camper, it is very easy to pull into a truck stop and get diesel fuel from the same pumps that the big trucks use. I've got plenty of room to get in and out without getting myself in a bind. One cannot do that with a gasser.

The new 6.7 liter scorpion diesel was supposed to be available for the 2010 model year, but has been suspended for at least another half year. The dealers don't know when it will be available, but suspect it will be the 2011 model year. The 6.7 liter engine will have urea injection, and this requires a tank that has to be filled (probably) every time you fill up the diesel tank. However, the new engine is also slated to have reversed head flow and twin turbos making 360 hp and over 700 ft. lbs. of torque. My suggestion is to buy a new truck now, or wait a couple years for Ford to work the bugs out of the new engine.

If you've ever had the privilege of driving a diesel truck up a big hill, towing a heavy load, you will never go back to a gasser.

There is a reason why ALL the big trucks are running diesel engines, just ask any trucker. You will get a diatribe from him/her.
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Sounds to me like your Hemi is just getting broken in. If I were you, I'd change the oil and keep on driving! I've got a friend who does a LOT of towing, hauling, toting, etc. all with gasser pickups; he takes care of them, but NEVER thinks of trading them until they're well over 250k miles.

I love my diesel and would never trade back, but on the other hand, if I'd started with your truck, I'd likely be driving it until the wheels fell off! You can buy a lot of fuel and maintenance for the value of the depreciation hit you take the first block out of the dealership with a new tow vehicle!

Just my $.02.
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That engine wasn't exactly the greatest thing that ever came out of the Ford factory. If I was you, I'd look at the diesel. The new 6.4 is a GREAT engine.

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I recomend going to a Ford garage and talking to a mechanic. The 6.4 liter has hurt the diesel market for Ford. I am a Ford guy. Nobody is sure if it is the 6.4 deign flaw, or low sulpher fuel and emission laws. The 6.4 has many many problems, including, when it blows, the cab needs to be taken off the frame, to replace it. I had pictures from the Ford service dept, but they wont post.

Go with gas! The v10 wont get great mileage, but the 5.4 liter will do anything you want put the torque shift behind it, with either 3:73's or 4:10's. I opted for 4:10s

Fuel milage for the 6.4 is around 12 mpg's or so consistent
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The 5.4L V8 gas, the 6.8L V10 gas and the 6.4L diesel probably won't be around much longer. Check the truck news sites. All new engines in every category coming very soon.
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god forbid if they do it again... I was reading about that new engine that is gas, electric, and deisel. It had a strange name, I am sceptical. Like the old GM 8,6,4 engines, remember them? I really like my 5.4 liter with 3v.
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I'm looking forward to that 6.2L V8 gaser that's coming out in 2010 in the F150 SVT Raptor. 400 HP and 400lb Torque. That in a F250 will be real nice.
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I had a 2001 V10 Excursion and now have a 2003 F250 Diesel. The difference is night and day. I never felt the V10 had the power that I wanted. We periodically pull the Grapevine in CA. The V10 would do a decent job up the hill out of the Central Valley, but the diesel will do 65 and I can accelerate while going up the hill.

True it is initially more expensive and the oil changes, at 16 quarts, are pricey. Diesel fuel fluctuates versus gasoline in price also. I can get 14MPG towing on flat ground at 60 mph.

I am very satified and would have to think hard about going back to a gas powered tow vehicle.
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The propensity to spit a plug is a risk I wouldn't be willing to take. I'm a life long Ford fan, but I'd never buy that engine. When the plug spits, it ruins the head. The fix is only $3500, and the customer has ALWAYS paid for it out of pocket. The new head may or may not do it again. Some people have been lucky.........
Actually, Woody, there's a solid heli-coil like repair that is only a couple of hundred dollars installed. Further, a standard oil drain tapped plug will screw in the hole after you disconnect the fuel injector coil for a roadside repair should it happen. The fact is, it never happened on either of my engines, and it has only happened in a relatively small number of engines compared to the number of engines in service.

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The 100,000 mile tune up debate was discussed in detail in another thread, but I'll sum it up. Ask any mechanic if it is a good idea to do so, and they will reply with a resounding, "NO". One should always replace the plugs at no more than 30,000 miles. There are a few retired mechanics on the forum here, ask any of them.
I changed my plugs in both engines at about 60,000 and neither really needed to have them changed yet. I did it because I was more concerned about the plugs getting rusted in than the plugs being worn. As long as the plugs are removed by hand, reinserted by hand, and then tightened to Ford specs by torque wrench, the odds of having a problem afterwards are pretty low. Basically, it just isn't a big deal.

Obviously diesel has some advantages with torque, but they have lots of disadvantages for the average owner as well. For many owners, the V10 gasser is the ideal tow engine.

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