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Old 05-01-2007, 11:13 PM   #15
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I wil bet that none of you have disc brakes on your trailer. My buddy bought a brand new Ford with the Towcommand and a new 2007 Airstream with disk brakes after many phone calls to Ford and Airstream the Towcommand was not compatable with the disk brakes from Airstream. He installed his Prodigy and it works great with the disk brakes. He also tows an older Airstream with electric brakes and loves the Towcommand . Just my Two Cents.
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Old 05-01-2007, 11:36 PM   #16
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I wil bet that.....
another example of why gambling isn't profitable...

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Old 05-02-2007, 06:42 AM   #17
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Just a quick note for those of you that may prefer a Chevrolet or GMC over a Ford. GM now has it's own integrated trailer brake controller available on it's new 2500 & 3500 pickups (I think the 1500's will eventually also have this option). I've never driven one, so I have no personal experience with it, but I expect it will offer the same advantages as the Ford Tow Command system over any after market trailer brake controller.
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Old 05-02-2007, 07:36 AM   #18
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Tow Command all the way

I have the tow command and it offers much more than a brake controller does. In my F-350 its' wired into the dash so if the trailer plug comes loose you get a solid 'buzzer sound' and the odomoter flashes "Trailer Disconnected."

Its also at dash level and easier to see then anything under the dash. Everything else has already been mentioned.

One other point I'll make is that this system combined with the TOW/HAUL feature of our diesel automatically downshifts when needed. In essence you get the advantage of engine braking without having to shift on the column.

Of course we'll always have the Ford vs GM argument

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Old 05-02-2007, 10:47 AM   #19
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Not true! I have the tow command with disc brakes on the trailer and the actibrake. I was told both wayss but the actibrake bulliten says the tow command is compatable. Depending on when they bought the trailer, the actibrake will need a software update.
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Old 05-02-2007, 12:11 PM   #20
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Back 'in the day', my father would put on a brake controller on the tow vehicle (station wagon) that would connect directly to the hydraulic brake line. This way it would know how much brake pressure being applied. I feel this is the best way to go if you can. I think the Towcommand uses this method. Although it is nice, I can't justify getting a new F-x50 just for that feature. Well, not yet at least.
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Of course we'll always have the Ford vs GM argument
No we wouldn't -- this is an Airstream discussion forum.

Think we're talking apples and apples here. Similar discussion on GMCs with special attention to Allison Grade Braking (thanks to BillTex): http://www.airforums.com/forums/f463...tml#post334044
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Old 05-02-2007, 10:03 PM   #22
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Please forgive me for I am new and my input is worth about -.02 but I've just bought an '08 F250 to pull a 2000 34' Limited.

1. I bought it to get the tow command/electric brake controller. I've only towed the trailer for 300 miles and it works great so far.

2. I've investigated upgrading my electric brakes to hyd discs and have already received this info from Actibrake:

"Duane:

Thank you for your email. The built-in Ford brake controller has undergone several revisions by Ford. Their original versions in the 2005 model year had numerous issues and we don't recommend using their 2005 brake controllers with our unit. However, the 2006-2007 built-in Ford brake controllers should work fine. The Ford brake controllers can be disabled by your Ford dealer and a standard Hayes or Tekonsha controller can be installed. You can review our owners manual at www.activetech1.com (please review the newest of the two ActiBrake models on this site) as a pdf which can be downloaded and printed. This manual lists the recommend brake controlles on page 10. Thank you for your interest.

Best regards,
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Now I can't find a follow up email where Phil says they haven't evaluated their system with the '08 yet but said it should work fine.

And this from Rick March at Jackson Center at Airstream:

Duane, yes the system should work fine with the Ford controller.
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Thanks Rick, and forgot to ask in my first email. No problems running the system off of Ford's F250 integrated tow command/brake controller system?

3. Tailgate Step. To get the truck I wanted it came with the tailgate step. I didn't think I needed it. I've had the truck only two weeks and have found it to be very useful already. Someone earlier mentioned something about it's safety. Well, it may be a problem if you weigh over 400 pounds but for me its worked great getting up into the bed and back down. Don't see anything unsafe about it.
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The built-in Ford brake controller has undergone several revisions by Ford. Their original versions in the 2005 model year had numerous issues and we don't recommend using their 2005 brake controllers with our unit.....
hi duane...

it's always interesting when one vendor describes the 'revisions' made by a different vendor...

IF you really want to know IF/HOW the ford ibc has changed...

contact FORD

i have a 2005 ford and the controller works PERFECTLY with the 2005 a/s disc brake package approaching 40,000 miles of towing...

with one exception described in the threads below...

and in THIS tsb from henry...

http://www.cvsa.org/resourcecenter/d...tin2005-01.pdf

actibrake's system has undergone changes however between 05 and 06...

visit the actibrake website... SEE the 2 manual versions? mine is version one...

Active Technology-Manuals

in addition actibrake has at least 3 different systems available...

perhaps ford has modified the software (i don't believe they have) but it is my understanding the hardward is the same from 05 through NOW....

check the ford parts # or visit your dealer/parts shop...

craftsman/2 had issues with his 06 systems and ACTIBRAKE sent him modifications...

we've tried to document these issues here so visit the brake/controller threads or read a bit here...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f439...kes-19936.html

see post 6 below...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f439...tem-27295.html

and again craftsman/2 describes and photos of the actibrake modifications (post 26/30)

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f439...-up-28809.html

added to the confusion is actibrake/kodiak vs dexter on the a/s side of the equation...

no doubt your 6 drums stop nicely but IF you do opt for a disc upgrade, the difference is significant...

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Old 05-03-2007, 12:21 AM   #24
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Hi, I can not verify this, but I believe the Ford tow command system is made by or with Tekonsha. Reason I say this, is our trailer brake testers, at the Ford dealer are also made by Tekonsha. [Ford Motor Company / Rotunda special tools and test equiptment.]
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hi duane...

it's always interesting when one vendor describes the 'revisions' made by a different vendor...
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Thanks 2air, I just wanted to add my -.02 worth since I'm in the middle of trying to decide if I want to invest those additional funds after my initial outlay into this new venture so to speak.

Heck we've only slept in the thing one night and that was when it was parked around the corner!
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Hi, I can not verify this, but I believe the Ford tow command system is made by or with Tekonsha. Reason I say this, is our trailer brake testers, at the Ford dealer are also made by Tekonsha. [Ford Motor Company / Rotunda special tools and test equiptment.]
I read elsewhere that it is made by Tekonsha also. BTW, as I said earlier, I like it a lot.
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Heck we've only slept in the thing one night and that was when it was parked around the corner!
sometimes the best sort of camping is IN the driveway/parking lot!

IF the brakes are working well and don't need urgent service, just use and enjoy.

no real need to change a well functioning system, there's plenty of time for upgrades...

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sometimes the best sort of camping is IN the driveway/parking lot!

IF the brakes are working well and don't need urgent service, just use and enjoy.

no real need to change a well functioning system, there's plenty of time for upgrades...

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Thanks 2air. Will just get what I have serviced on the 11th. We're heading to NAS Pensacola on the 14th for that week. Then head back up through Nashville to visit my uncle who helped me get this thing.

So should be a nice maiden voyage.
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