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Old 10-17-2010, 08:11 PM   #15
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I bought a 3/4T. Had I to do it over again I'd go for the 1T. Became all too easy in full-timing to reach payload capacity with an 800-1000-lb TW. While mine is a DODGE I believe the "complaint" common to all lines. 2Airs words above, and on another thread make me realize that one needs to exercise due diligence (with real world numbers) so as to spec the right truck.

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I don't think he is full timing.

Maybe I'm getting confused from another thread,..if so my bad.

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Old 10-17-2010, 08:17 PM   #16
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Full-timing can, in a sense, just be a very long vacation one year. My experience FT was in play as an example . . TW + payload = what reserve? Very little, I found. (And the 1T rides no differently on my brand of truck).
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pattonsr and red' are probably referring to some of the posts in this thread around posts #47 and #52 ...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f463...tml#post901704

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f463...tml#post901839

there are many examples here of folks in a variety of "capable" tow vehicles that discover...

upon weighing their gear or loaded trucks they are AT or OVER the ratings...

and full timing isn't a requirement when it comes to exceeding payload,

there are folks hauling golf carts or hogs while towing and exceed payload or get very close.

the op may/may not wanna discuss cab size/bed configuration,

here is an older thread on those issues...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f463...abs-61324.html

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Old 10-17-2010, 09:10 PM   #18
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We've had our F250 since it was new in 1996, and w/ the Airstream I'm now doing weight calculations for trips to Burning Man. There just isn't that much headroom if you're carrying passengers, tools, extra water, etc. However, I do like the short bed - a crew cab 4x4 long bed is a bit of a beast when it comes to maneuvering in tight quarters.

There really is no substitute for doing some math - and don't forget the tongue weight!

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Old 10-17-2010, 09:18 PM   #19
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...I do like the short bed - a crew cab 4x4 long bed is a bit of a beast when it comes to maneuvering in tight quarters...
no question a long bed crew cab takes a lotttttta space for parking, around 25 feet.

the issue with maneuvering has improved significantly.

a brand new long bed dually crew cab 350/450 has a SMALLER turning circle than your 96.

in 05 ford moved to coil springs/trailing arms upFRONT

and cut the turning circle significantly compared to trucks with leafs up front.
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still your other observations are all on target, big trucks can get over payload easily,

even without a rock collection.

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Old 10-17-2010, 09:57 PM   #20
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Shane,

Here is my math for a 2011 F-350 King Ranch 8' cab 4x4 diesel with 3.55 electronic locking axle ratio. I would assume a ProPride hitch and hopefully Airsafe hitch will add to tongue weight as will additional AGM's and Magnum inverter installed up front.

Per the Ford website, payload is 3,380 which is roughly 1,000 more than F-250.
I am calculating the worst case for extended boon docking.

45 100 gallon empty water tank
400 50 gallons water
200 Yamaha 6300 propane generator with remote
5 Propane t holder
96 2 30 gallon propane tanks
37 32 gallon empty tote
72 2 cases of water bottles
108 4 cases of beer
4 2 empty water jugs
100 custom soft water/filters/pressure regulator system
405 2000 # gorilla 8' slide
250 Leer cap with Max Fan (remote) to vent generator (I guess 250 lbs)
30 Roof rack
90 2 canoes or whatever
420 2 adults, dogs, and stuff
1000 Tongue weight for 27fb classic (4 AGMs, Magnum 2000 inverter)
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3262 lbs versus 3380 max lbs

I never said a F-250 couldn't handle any Airstream. The problem is running out of tv payload. 2Air pointed this out so I made the list. Eliminate the slide, water, Leer cap and generator would save 1401 lbs. The resulting 1861 is fine for a F-250.

Now I am looking at a front hitch for bikes. I have the 400 lbs of water that is only for extreme boon docking to free up capacity for additional stuff.

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nicely done barry...

but u may have underestimated the beer...



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Old 10-17-2010, 11:05 PM   #22
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What was I thinking. I will only last 24 days even with extreme rationing. Yipes!

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What was I thinking. I will only last 24 days even with extreme rationing. Yipes!

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Switch to whiskey. It's much more economical from a weight-per-drink perspective.
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Old 10-18-2010, 06:16 AM   #24
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The F250 will be more than you need. If you could live with a gas rig, the F150 would do the job as long as it's equipped correctly.
Or you can setup a car to tow.
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Old 10-18-2010, 07:34 AM   #25
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I drive 100k a year picking up Airstreams in 48 states and love the new 2011 Diesel F250 CC. Mileage is 13.6 towing and it is not broken in yet at 10K. I am getting 19 MPG not towing. Ride is great!

Truck is quiet too...folks mistake it for a gasser......
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Old 10-18-2010, 08:09 AM   #26
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Or you can setup a car to tow.
Please explain to me why we go thru all sorts of weighing and calculating to make sure we are within the manufacturers towing and weight ratings with the trucks we tow with, and then just because someone does it with a sedan, takes a picture of it, and lives to tell about it, manufactures ratings be damned, it's all OK.
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lets NOT hijack this thread, see the TITLE and topic.

rather than have the GOOOFY CAR towing posts in this thread about 250s/350s...

HERE is a great place to take that stuff...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f463...epid-3636.html

in particular see moe's posts #19, 23 and #44...

then the exchange that happens in posts #77/78 and 85/86...

that's a great place for thoughts on goofy carz towing houses.

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back on the 250/350 considerations,

here is an older thread with the op making the same decisions.

different version/model year, but the payload considerations hold.

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f42/...350-21802.html

and for those of u WANTING to dig deeply into ford truck specs and build options...

THIS is a really good link for doing just that, a wealth of info...

(thanks again to 'moe, i have been using d'link for years)

https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas.../techspec.html

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Welcome, there may be some differences in wheel/tire/brake components between the 250/350 as 2air has indicated. 1 tons will likely have the (better) higher rated components than 3/4 tonners.

Ride quality will likely not be one of them as the difference in spring rate occurs when the over load contacts...and this will happen when it is supposed to (heavy payload)...not something that would happen unladed. So ride "quality" (use that term loosely when talking about trucks) when empty should be of no concern.

If I knew then what I know now ...I would get the 1 ton.
Our next truck WILL be 1 ton...

For a couple of extra $...get the 350.

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