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09-14-2016, 03:14 PM
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A.K.A "THE STREAM"
2010 25' FB International
Arlington
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Ford says no WD hitch required on 2017 SD.
I read that ford said no weight distribution hitch needed while towing a camper. Comes with anti sway, but then again my 2011 did as well.
Opinions?
I know on the side of caution you should , but I would like factual information.
Old setup.
Thank you.
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09-14-2016, 03:25 PM
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Rivet Master 
2014 30' Flying Cloud
Tampa
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WD and sway control are two different things.
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09-14-2016, 03:27 PM
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A.K.A "THE STREAM"
2010 25' FB International
Arlington
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FCStreamer
WD and sway control are two different things.
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Ok?....... 
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09-14-2016, 03:35 PM
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A.K.A "THE STREAM"
2010 25' FB International
Arlington
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So is it feesiable to use the W/D hitch and no sway bars?
Or just hook up to the (hitch)and go?
900lb tounge weight on my Airsteam is a lot.
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09-14-2016, 03:55 PM
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Rivet Master 
2007 22' International CCD
Corona
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I'd look into WHY they are making that statement.
My Tacoma claims to have active "trailer stability control" but I can tell you via real life experience that the setup handles much better with WD and anti-sway than without.
Won't go into the anti-sway hitch brand battle. I'll just stick to my ProPride, and prevent away from starting at all.
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09-14-2016, 05:09 PM
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Rivet Master
2006 23' Safari SE
Biloxi
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Quote:
Originally Posted by THEPILL
I read that ford said no weight distribution hitch needed while towing a camper.
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Where?
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09-14-2016, 05:36 PM
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A.K.A "THE STREAM"
2010 25' FB International
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09-14-2016, 05:48 PM
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Rivet Master
2017 30' Classic
Loretto
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Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
I think I will stick with the WD and sway control
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09-14-2016, 05:51 PM
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Full time Airstreamer
2014 30' FB FC Bunk
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I would still use some. But maybe you can get away with something lightweight like the Anderson unit that gets a bad rap for not transferring enough weight. Seems like that would be a good application for it.
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09-14-2016, 07:22 PM
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Rivet Master
1974 31' Sovereign
1979 23' Safari
Wayland
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The truck will apply asymmetric braking in an effort to stop sway it detects. But having something to help prevent sway from developing is definitely a plus.
As far as weight distribution, 900lbs tongue weight will lift your front end quite a bit and you'll experience quite a bit of porpoising and it may feel squirrelly at times due to the lower weight on the front tires.
Been towing with 2015 f150 all summer tongue weight 500 lbs. definitely tows more comfortable with weight distribution.
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09-14-2016, 07:37 PM
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3 Rivet Member 
2019 25' Flying Cloud
Woodland
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Join Date: May 2015
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For what it's worth, the 2016 Super Duty towing guide explicitly states "Maximum loaded trailer weight requires weight-distributing hitch". I would find it hard to believe that the new 2017 SD is so different that a WD hitch is no longer needed on heavier conventional towing loads.
Are you sure they are not confusing weight distribution with sway control?
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09-14-2016, 07:41 PM
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A.K.A "THE STREAM"
2010 25' FB International
Arlington
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mach5
For what it's worth, the 2016 Super Duty towing guide explicitly states "Maximum loaded trailer weight requires weight-distributing hitch". I would find it hard to believe that the new 2017 SD is so different that a WD hitch is no longer needed on heavier conventional towing loads.
Are you sure they are not confusing weight distribution for sway control?
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Pretty positive.
Read this....
http://www.tfltruck.com/2016/07/2017...ions-answered/
They have changed everything on the new 2017.
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09-14-2016, 07:46 PM
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Rivet Master
2013 31' Classic
billings
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Now this is going to be interesting, all the weight on the rear axle, and very little on the steer axle, headlights pointing up to the moon.......should be real squirmy going down the road... 
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09-14-2016, 07:49 PM
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A.K.A "THE STREAM"
2010 25' FB International
Arlington
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tjdonahoe
Now this is going to be interesting, all the weight on the rear axle, and very little on the steer axle, headlights pointing up to the moon.......should be real squirmy going down the road... |
From my understanding the hitch that ford installed should prevent all of that....well minus the beginning of the sway. Which the f250 will correct.
I will use my normal Reese dual cam setup, peace of mind is awesome.
Either way,,,I like options.
Stream safe.
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09-14-2016, 07:49 PM
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Rivet Master
1995 25' Excella
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Does Ford say this in the owner's manual?
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09-14-2016, 07:52 PM
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Rivet Master
2015 27' Flying Cloud
Newberg
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Quote:
Originally Posted by THEPILL
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That doesn't actually come from Ford. It comes from an automotive writer who states that it comes from Ford. Until I see it coming from Ford...
Mike
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09-14-2016, 07:53 PM
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3 Rivet Member
2019 25' Flying Cloud
Woodland
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Quote:
Originally Posted by THEPILL
Pretty positive.
Read this....
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I stand corrected. Don't know about changing everything, but enough to do as you say. This from the Ford Media Center, found here https://media.ford.com/content/fordm...--raises-.html
"Maximum conventional towing is increased to 21,000 pounds – 1,000 pounds better than the nearest competitors’ trucks and without the need for a weight-distributing hitch. Maximum conventional towing with F-250, with the all-new trailer tow package, and F-350 single-rear wheel are increased to a class-leading 18,000 pounds."
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09-14-2016, 07:59 PM
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Rivet Master
Currently Looking...
Mantua
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tjdonahoe
Now this is going to be interesting, all the weight on the rear axle, and very little on the steer axle, headlights pointing up to the moon.......should be real squirmy going down the road... |
Have you towed with a SD?
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09-14-2016, 08:01 PM
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Vintage Kin
Fort Worth
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Join Date: Nov 2006
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Ford says no WD hitch required on 2017 SD.
I'd still scale the thing. It's the very first stop for me after the dealership. CAT Scale, full fuel and driver plus any gear transferred from last vehicle. An important set of numbers, showing the lowest weight, overall and per axle.
If a topper, tool chest, etc, is installed, then reweigh.
I understand that the OEMs want to avoid a device they can't control. But given the sloppiness of SAE J2807 and its glaring omissions, I'd still start from scratch.
The TUSON trailer-mount antisway device would be my first step. Reacts faster than the OEM devices.
And a VPP style hitch will still offer best performance.
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09-14-2016, 08:03 PM
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Rivet Master
2015 27' Flying Cloud
Newberg
, Oregon
Join Date: May 2015
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mach5
I stand corrected. Don't know about changing everything, but enough to do as you say. This from the Ford Media Center, found here https://media.ford.com/content/fordm...--raises-.html
"Maximum conventional towing is increased to 21,000 pounds – 1,000 pounds better than the nearest competitors’ trucks and without the need for a weight-distributing hitch. Maximum conventional towing with F-250, with the all-new trailer tow package, and F-350 single-rear wheel are increased to a class-leading 18,000 pounds." |
The way I read this statement is that they are talking about the F450, not needing WD. The F250, which is what I'm interested in, sounds like it would play nicely with my Blue Ox.
Mike
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