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Old 09-14-2016, 07:49 PM   #15
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Does Ford say this in the owner's manual?
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Old 09-14-2016, 07:52 PM   #16
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Pretty positive.

Read this....

http://www.tfltruck.com/2016/07/2017...ions-answered/


They have changed everything on the new 2017.
That doesn't actually come from Ford. It comes from an automotive writer who states that it comes from Ford. Until I see it coming from Ford...

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Pretty positive.

Read this....
I stand corrected. Don't know about changing everything, but enough to do as you say. This from the Ford Media Center, found here https://media.ford.com/content/fordm...--raises-.html
"Maximum conventional towing is increased to 21,000 pounds – 1,000 pounds better than the nearest competitors’ trucks and without the need for a weight-distributing hitch. Maximum conventional towing with F-250, with the all-new trailer tow package, and F-350 single-rear wheel are increased to a class-leading 18,000 pounds."
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Now this is going to be interesting, all the weight on the rear axle, and very little on the steer axle, headlights pointing up to the moon.......should be real squirmy going down the road...
Have you towed with a SD?
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Old 09-14-2016, 08:01 PM   #19
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Ford says no WD hitch required on 2017 SD.

I'd still scale the thing. It's the very first stop for me after the dealership. CAT Scale, full fuel and driver plus any gear transferred from last vehicle. An important set of numbers, showing the lowest weight, overall and per axle.

If a topper, tool chest, etc, is installed, then reweigh.

I understand that the OEMs want to avoid a device they can't control. But given the sloppiness of SAE J2807 and its glaring omissions, I'd still start from scratch.

The TUSON trailer-mount antisway device would be my first step. Reacts faster than the OEM devices.

And a VPP style hitch will still offer best performance.
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I stand corrected. Don't know about changing everything, but enough to do as you say. This from the Ford Media Center, found here https://media.ford.com/content/fordm...--raises-.html
"Maximum conventional towing is increased to 21,000 pounds – 1,000 pounds better than the nearest competitors’ trucks and without the need for a weight-distributing hitch. Maximum conventional towing with F-250, with the all-new trailer tow package, and F-350 single-rear wheel are increased to a class-leading 18,000 pounds."

The way I read this statement is that they are talking about the F450, not needing WD. The F250, which is what I'm interested in, sounds like it would play nicely with my Blue Ox.

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Old 09-15-2016, 11:04 AM   #21
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True, but I think that sway control should still be used so you would end up with some WD anyway. The reason for Ford saying no WD is because the frame and receiver are so beefed up WD is not needed.
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How fast do you guys tow? I stick to 55-65 and never need sway control. And doesn't your tongue weight determine the need for WD?

"Step away from the accelerator pedal" :-)

Just teasing fellas.
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So is it feesiable to use the W/D hitch and no sway bars?

Or just hook up to the (hitch)and go?

900lb tounge weight on my Airsteam is a lot.
If pulling an AS, why even question it? No such thing as "over kill", when it comes to towing our trailer! Peace of mind.....
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True, but I think that sway control should still be used so you would end up with some WD anyway. The reason for Ford saying no WD is because the frame and receiver are so beefed up WD is not needed.
You do not have to have a WD hitch to get sc. You can tow on the ball mount equipped with sway control balls on it.
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Maximum conventional towing is increased to 21,000 pounds – 1,000 pounds better than the nearest competitors’ trucks and without the need for a weight-distributing hitch. Maximum conventional towing with F-250, with the all-new trailer tow package, and F-350 single-rear wheel are increased to a class-leading 18,000 pounds.
This is directly from that Ford brochure posted earlier.
Weight distribution may not be necessary.
Sway control may or may not be necessary.
The truck may have active trailer sway control with braking, but it seems like a sway control would be peace of mind.
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You need weight distribution if the front end raises when the trailer is coupled. If the front end of the truck gets too high, you have steering control issues.

That's what weight distribution does, puts some if the tongue weight onto the frame, so that the back end raises and the front drops, giving back safe steering.

Sway control is another concern. Often handled by attachments to the hitch. Which is why folks get themselves all confused.

If the front end of the truck raises when hitched, use weight distribution to bring it down. Use sway control on longer trailers, so that you can maneuver safely in an emergency.
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If you are lifting your front end on a truck that weights about 8k pounds then you are probably exceeding the tongue weight limit of your hitch. I see WD solutions for smaller TVs.

Sway control is a good thing for any load. But I still question if speed is the underlying issue. Excluding weather factors and/or an unstable load in the trailer.

Just my .02c
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Your OWN photo tells a lot...

Your truck's nose is pointing to the sky due to the tongue weight at the hitch. You could use WD (and possibly sway control). I agree with other comments on this. Your truck manufacturers are NOT going to be behind the wheel should you get into a dicey situation on the hills and valleys. I also would consider speaking to Andy at CanAm RV (London Ontario, Canada) on this subject.
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