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Old 12-29-2015, 02:48 PM   #15
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How about a Dodge SRT ,V10 with cold air intake with after market injectors and stainless headers?
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Old 12-29-2015, 04:40 PM   #16
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BA, have you broken out the weight of the gear in the bed? (And I admired the neatness and systemization of same in a pic of yours).

TW, I gather, you've isolated as a number. And I'd guess you have WD tension-applied numbers for the TV per wheel as well.

The Raptor is a toy. Same as a Powerwagon. See where you are first, numbers wise. Axle ratings percentages, etc. A spreadsheet to use with any new TV.

I'd happily make the wager one of the toys has steering worse than the more ordinary trucks once loaded and hitched. I'd be concerned about braking as well. (No ones going to persuade me that toy truck off-road tires are an acceptable substitute).

If Andy has set up a few, fax him those acquired numbers for an opinion.

I say the full timer load tips the balance the wrong way . . but what I consider that load to be and what you all consider it, is, I think, the real question involved.

Will be interesting to see which way you wind up going.
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Old 12-29-2015, 04:45 PM   #17
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Possibly the new Raptor will have a higher towing capacity?
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Old 12-29-2015, 05:22 PM   #18
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Why not just make your Ram ( i think that is what you have) a very capable off truck? New shocks and springs all around with new tires and wheels would save a bunch of money, not change your towing capacity and give a better ride.

Check out Icon. Complete Suspension Systems - ICON Vehicle Dynamics

They make some very good stuff!
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Old 12-30-2015, 01:07 AM   #19
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BA, have you broken out the weight of the gear in the bed? (And I admired the neatness and systemization of same in a pic of yours).
I still don't have a lot of stuff. We've actually dropped weight on the hitch with the removal of the batteries and the spare tire. I've always been within 100lbs of the limit, so add back in a few more. Cat scale verified. But as the kids get older, they get heavier.

I'm going to probably end up in a 3/4 ton eventually when I get more stuff, but this is one of those, wouldn't it be cool threads.

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Why not just make your Ram ( i think that is what you have) a very capable off truck? New shocks and springs all around with new tires and wheels would save a bunch of money, not change your towing capacity and give a better ride.

Check out Icon. Complete Suspension Systems - ICON Vehicle Dynamics

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Not a fan of Icon. Prefer RadFlo. Anyways, I already have done that, but as mentioned earlier, if you're going to tow a lot (which we do because we're full time) the balance is very difficult. You can't go too far in the off-road department without ruining the towing department.

We have beefed up suspension, mild lift 2.5" front, 4" rear unloaded, upgraded shocks, AT tires that are +1 in size. My height is just a smidge above a 2500 Ram but I have better ground clearance because of the smaller 1500 frame rails.

The reality sunk in today with some friends. I will never need much more than I have because I have a truck. We took Rock House Trail to Rock Canyon and the truck made it a mile in before I had to pull over and ride in a Jeep. Fact is, the wheelbase is just long. Forest roads, sand washes, and desert lake beds, but jeep trails. I should of bought a Class A and a Jeep.

But that's ok. Man can day dream.

Still, tell me that 2500 Prospector isn't bad ___ looking.
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Old 12-30-2015, 07:35 AM   #20
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I think you said it yourself. A good tow vehicle will make for a lousy off-roader - and vice versa.
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Old 12-30-2015, 08:36 AM   #21
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Towing capacity is only part of the specs you should worry about, the more important one is cargo capacity. I am guessing the Raptor is too anemic in terms of cargo capacity. By the time you hang the tongue weight of a larger Airstream on it, you may barely have enough capacity left for the driver. I had an Ecoboost 4x4 that would pull like crazy with a big towing capacity but had the problem I am describing here. The manufacturers love to blow their horn about towing capacity and are very, very quiet about actual cargo capacities. They love to talk about "payload capacity" in their brochures but you have to dig deep to get them to address address actual cargo capacity one can expect.

As one poster here asked already, what does the yellow sticker on the door say?
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Old 12-30-2015, 05:21 PM   #22
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The reality sunk in today with some friends. I will never need much more than I have because I have a truck. We took Rock House Trail to Rock Canyon and the truck made it a mile in before I had to pull over and ride in a Jeep. Fact is, the wheelbase is just long. Forest roads, sand washes, and desert lake beds, but jeep trails. I should of bought a Class A and a Jeep.

But that's ok. Man can day dream.

I understand about wanting to pull a Jeep out of your back pocket anytime you wish. Get that feeling quite a bit. I think if I had the money for a class A I would also have the money to ship a Jeep anywhere needed and keep my Airstream!

Now you got me day dreaming.
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Old 12-31-2015, 11:18 AM   #23
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Raptors are cute little trucks....that's about it..

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I don't think little would be the proper word I would use.
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Old 12-31-2015, 11:42 AM   #24
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Mind posting your payload value from your yellow tire loading sticker on the driver's doorjamb?

I was under the impression that Raptors where "payload challenged"?
Not from the sticker but here is the towing/payload info for the super crew cab.

Weight Information

Curb Weight 6,113 lbs
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating 7,450 lbs
Max Payload 1,337 lbs

Max.Towing Capacity 8,000 lbs
GCWR 14,700 lbs

With the WD hitch hooked up the truck and trailer sit level. There is no front end light feeling and everything feels solid turning corners and going up and down through the mountains here on the eastern side of the country. I have the towing package and we are below all weight limits when we are loaded. However, it is my opinion that any AS larger than this one would be pushing the limits for safety.
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