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Old 08-22-2016, 10:45 AM   #57
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GM, Ford and RAM all offer a fine product, and each will have its pros and cons in your eyes as you check them all out. You really have to get out there and do the "butt in the seat" test for all three.

The brand we were so sure we would purchase after months of online research was quickly disqualified because my husband and I both took an instant dislike to the interior when we finally went for a test drive. Many people have said they eliminated the brand we ultimately chose from consideration for the same reasons we disqualified the brand they purchased.

The little things can make a big difference. What is most important is how those little things add up on your own unique list of likes and dislikes!
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Old 08-24-2016, 06:28 AM   #58
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Which is the best all around choice ? Considering performance, quite operation, and general maintenance. What are the issues with the emission additives ?
Good morning Frank. These three towing machines are very good. I tested all three before buying a 2016 Denali 2500 Duramax. The Ford has the best towing and payload capacities but is the more expensive to run and maintain and is the less comfortable when empty. The RAM has the best combination of engine and transmission and has the best handling characteristics but the suspension and brakes are not robust enough, particularly the directions. The bushings, tie rods and everything have to be replace regularly. The GMC is the more comfortable and the most reliable of the three by a significant margin. The 6.2 gas ehgine is also excellent and I have been told by a GMC salesman that this engine is powerfull enough for my needs. I got it 2 months ago and I have just passed the 2500 miles and do 21 mpg at 65 mph with 500 pounds of load and I achieve 14 mpg at 60 mph towing a 2017 27 fb plus 1000 pounds of additional loads. On the roads and going over a mountainous region with slope of less than 6%. cruise control at 60 mph in normal mode (not towing mode) the truck goes very smoothly and run at 1600 rpm without downshifting. It is a marvel and love it more than my Airstream. I recommend you testing the three and to talk to trailers salespersons. Have fun shopping is very interesting.
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Old 08-24-2016, 04:25 PM   #59
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Just to add to the discussion... Recently drove my son's 2015 Ford Transit 250.. Comes with the Ford 3.2 Turbo Diesel (made in South Africa, of all places)..very quick at 22 miles per gallon, and the best thing is, it's going in the 2017 F150...
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Old 08-24-2016, 08:47 PM   #60
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we chose the 2016 GMC duramax because the reliability data favored it by a significant margin. This engine and transmission combination is essentially unchanged since 2011 and has a strong track record. GM is redoing the engine for 2017 and I did not want to risk the new design for more torque and HP. It already has more than I need.
I drove the Ram and liked it, but my wife say "no way" based on the reliability data. Ford is just now releasing the new 2017 which looks like a great truck. The drivetrain will be essentially the same as 2016 and has been pretty solid over the last few years.
For me the it was the confidence is the drivetrain and the comfort that led me to the GMC
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Old 08-24-2016, 08:55 PM   #61
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I still drive a 6.0 Powerstroke. Mainly because there are no more 3/4 ton diesel SUVs. I own an Excursion.

I would love a new truck, but honestly, these new diesels scare me. Will they still go 400k with all their complexities and emission controls? Are they expected to run that long?
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Old 08-25-2016, 05:21 AM   #62
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Probably not. I doubt the EGR and DPF will do anything other than shorten the life of our Cummins Turbo Diesel.
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Old 08-25-2016, 04:32 PM   #63
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Thanks for info

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not saying you will have issues. My BIL has a 2011 with 80Kish and no issues thus far but he drives like he stole it and pulls the 5er very little. It has no mods at all.

here are some videos I have seen on powerstrokehelp.com and other videos.

https://youtu.be/2qqs3nhoFrk

https://youtu.be/ogjEwzTx1qA

https://youtu.be/HN8L4ZTGtOs

I tend to be wary of new models especially motors that are such a technology update like the 6.7 scorpion motor. I believe the 6.7 is now like from year 2015 one of the best in class engines for diesel.

the big thing is regular maintenance and Used Oil Analysts, UOA, at least once every two years or less to keep up with what is going on in the engine.
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Thank you for this information. The link regarding glow plugs was particularly enlightening. I just spoke with the dealer. Replacement cost for the glow plugs is $830 on our 2011 F250 Super Duty with 26,000 miles. He has seen 3 engines destroyed by the broken plugs. Most recent quote for engine replacement was $17,400. Also spoke with Ford. Even if our truck was still under warranty, plug replacement would not be covered-only after engine destruction. I see that I can order the latest glow plugs online but not sure I want to risk self-replacement. $832 is a big repair but has to be looked at as insurance against engine failure. Does not seem fair to not cover a manufacturer's defect that has engine failure as a potential. I post this as an alert to other owners. Other than this, I believe that we have a great truck that has performed wonderfully in towing our Airstream including a 6000 mile round trip to Wyoming in 2015. Dealer says it is a great engine otherwise. Another issue he mentioned is a plastic oil pan that can be compromised by over tightening of the pan plug. Best to get oil changes at the dealer where they pay attention to this issue.
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I know the OP did ask for a comparison of Ford/Chev/Ram diesels, but there is one more to consider now.........

Nissan XD with the Cummins V8 diesel. The one thing I do like about the Nissan is the 6 speed Aisin® automatic transmission. Aisin build bulletproof tranny's. Volvo used them in their XC90 V8 versions for years. 6 speeds are good enough, you don't need anymore IMHO.

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The OP was comparing 3/4 ton trucks. The Titan is still a 1/2 ton truck.
The Titan is a very expensive 1/2 truck with a goose-neck ball in the bed and not enough payload or towing capacity.
The 5.6 Titan has more payload and towing capacity and costs less.
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A couple of things I'd add to this thread.
A page or so back there was talk about Ford gas 5.4 spark plugs. Ford re-engineered that spark plug in mid 2009 so anything from that date on is just a normal plug change.
We purchased a 2016 Ram 2500 this spring and after 8000 miles, about 25% of then towing our diminutive Bambi we have averaged 18.3 mpg. I am amazed with the fuel mileage!
The one thing the RAM had that no one here seems to have mentioned is the smallest turning radius. At 43' it is almost 10' less than the GM/Chevy. That is important for us as our driveway is tight. It is actually easier to park the RAM than our previous 2010 F-150 Super Crew.
Just because I know people will scratch their heads at pulling a Bambi with a 2500, we were after the payload. I like my vehicles optioned up and payload suffers. I could have chosen an aluminum F-150 but as much as I loved my previous Ford, electrically it was not the most reliable thing.
Here is my Fuelly account...
http://www.fuelly.com/car/ram/2500/2...erbeard/423884
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Turning radius is a consideration.
My 2007 Tundra CrewMax turns as tight as my 1999 Nissan Pathfinder.


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The OP was comparing 3/4 ton trucks. The Titan is still a 1/2 ton truck.
The Titan is a very expensive 1/2 truck with a goose-neck ball in the bed and not enough payload or towing capacity.
The 5.6 Titan has more payload and towing capacity and costs less.
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Its half-ton size and almost-three-quarter-ton capability make the Titan XD the right size for many shoppers. The 5.6-liter V-8 makes 401 lb-ft and pairs to a seven-speed automatic with rear- or four-wheel drive; an optional Cummins 5.0-liter turbo-diesel V-8 comes with a six-speed automatic, makes 555 lb-ft, and can tow over 6 tons. The compliant ride and supportive seats mean superb long-haul comfort. The Single Cab, new for 2017, has an 8.0-foot bed; Crew Cab models get a 6.5-foot bed.

There's nothing 1/2 ton about this truck. Over 12,000lb tow rating.

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There's nothing 1/2 ton about this truck. Over 12,000lb tow rating.
I was going to toss this Cummings out there. To add on to this, it's rated as a heavy duty vehicle and is exempt from any sort of fuel economy ratings. The videos I've seen of the Nissan towing are impressive. The fuel economy is so-so, but it could be the engine needed a bit of breaking in.

I went with the Duramax recently, but really any of them would have worked. For me it was a matter of options and price. Ford isn't discounting the 2017's at this point (and that's what's available around here), RAM was nice, but I just liked the ride and noise level better in the Chevy (I also test rode the GMC, but other than price it was identical from a ride perspective).

Like a few others, I think it really boils down to what you like when you test them out. All of the current crop of ¾ ton engines are great... and overkill for our towing needs (I hardly knew I had the Airstream behind me this past weekend when I was out), so it's really personal preference.

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