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Old 11-17-2009, 12:27 PM   #15
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Really some SUPERB INFORMATION for thought and re/consideration. I would never have come up these recommendations/answers on my own prior to interment.

I will definitely pass up the bling and go for the bang with the 18" tires. Tons of solid reasons for passing up the 20's including the safety, durability, cost savings and future expense and frustrations should one or more become damaged. The 3.73 ratio limited slip axle, trailer brake control and the 4X4 are definitely solid positives for me too.

I'll need to check into the after-market Navigation devices, as I know nothing about them. I have one on my 2002 vehicle and will want/need one either way. Should anyone have suggestions/recommendations/experiences with any of the after market ones I would appreciate your information.

I will go ahead and rethink the 3/4 ton TV again too.

Again, thanks for helping me.........

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Old 11-17-2009, 01:19 PM   #16
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...I will go ahead and rethink the 3/4 ton TV again too...
assembling the 'ideal' rigging is like piecing 2gether a puzzle.

but with MANY pictures/outcomes as the interlocking bits are fitted.

so one needs to THINK about HOW, WHERE, WHY they plan to stream...

and WHAT parts (stuff) are essential, important, desirable, optional and so on...

along with WHO is in the travel party.
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while the new 150 CAN be ordered with a hefty PAYLOAD...

that (payload) is often the limiting/determining factor in the 1/2-3/4 consideration.

as options and STUFF are added to the truck, payload available for the trailer TONGUE is reduced.

bed liners/shells, tools, camping gear, TOYS, spare parts and so on...

ALL reduce the payload available for the trayla.

and the a/s tongue weights listed are ONLY ESTIMATES that don't include options, fluids or LP gas...

so it's useful to INCREASE any estimated tongue mass by 200 lbs on 25s or larger.
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the 150 cannot be had with a BIG CAB and LONG BED.

again LONG bed equals more PROTECTED spaced for stuff in the truck.

the LONGER wheelbase that is part of the longcab/longbed 250s=smoother ride and MORE stable towing.

test drive 250s with various wheel bases and the ride changes SIGNIFICANTLY.
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i see NO TIME FRAME for your purchases.

so the issue of current/next 250 is in play.

since the 2011s (available to order SOON) which will be on the road in ~march 2010, will be QUIETER and cleaner.

but the issue of gas/diesel is often debated here too.
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some folks like to take EVERYTHING they own for a weekend at the city park...

and others go on epic tours with only a credit card and the sleekest suv pulling the stream.

so U need to visualize YOUR travel style and total gear needs when selecting the tow beast.

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Old 11-17-2009, 01:22 PM   #17
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I too have looked at the Ford F150 and just configured one on Ford.com. With the max tow package and 3.73 rear end it is rated at 11,300 tow capacity and 1,690 payload. So going back to Ravendog's question, would this be a good TV for his 7,300 trailer? What are the advantages/disadvantages of that configuration versus a 250?
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Old 11-17-2009, 02:03 PM   #19
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2air:

All very good advice and informative. I'll think about it all. It's definitely a multifaceted event not to mention it's an expensive one also......

The 25', 27' and 28' are pretty much within 300 lbs. of each other and their lengths are comparable to within a foot or two. Will this make a difference in towing and maneuverability? Wouldn't the 25' and 28' tow about the same or does the foot or so difference affect the TV more in sway?
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...it is rated at 11,300 tow capacity and 1,690 payload...
a mythical '7300' lb trailer will have a tongue mass of ~800-1000 lbs.

the camper SHELL is ~200+ lbs.

hitch apparatus 100-250 lbs.

so NOW calculate the PAYLOAD remaining for ALL the other stuff U might load in the truck.
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THAT can become the deciding issue in the truck SIZE equation..

(btw i think a 150 can be configured with >2000 lbs payload, if willing 2 go with normal cab and 2wd)

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come on Ravendog I'll push you right over the edge as my 9 yr old tried to do me a few months back looking at new trucks. Just throw the capacity of the tow vehicle out the window and go with the Banks equipped F-450 King Ranch 4x4. Add to it the Truview mobile sattellite connection on the roof, a ram mount laptop mount on the floor, a laptop with whatever mapping software you like the best (trimble) and tow whatever you want that Airstream can make. You won't even need a distribution hitch (that will be some savings). No worries if you decide on something else later you'll have the rig to do the work.
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... Will this make a difference in towing and maneuverability? Wouldn't the 25' and 28' tow about the same...
'dog...

1000s of posts here on this debate. no 1 correct answer.

so go READ sum of the 100s of threads in the TOW VEHICLE section.

in general LONGER is easier to back up and more stable towing.

more axles is good (i like 3) but SET UP and DRIVER skill are the major determinants of tow-ablitiy.

LOTs of folks are happy in bambis too.

but they are ALL pretty much the same size in the rear view mirrors.

FLOORPLAN will make a smaller unit feel spacious or a longer unit cramped.

and don't rely on a/s for measurements...

the 30s/31s are EXACTLY the same size, and 27s are LONGER than 28s.
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is the truck primarily for towing/travel or primarily 4 urban living and driving?

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Old 11-17-2009, 05:27 PM   #23
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I just got a 2010 F150 on Nov. 5. It has the tow pkg w/3.73 axles, 5.4 gas engine, supercrew, and a lot of other goodies. My previous TV was an '06 F250SD/6.0 PSD. It pulled my 8400 # '02 31' classic w/slide easily. The ride was a little rough. We took the F150 to Omaha today for our 2nd outing in it. The ride is smooth !!! It has the 6.5' box and 18" wheels. The 6 speed tranny feels absolutely seamless when it shifts. We haven't pulled the AS yet, but I pulled a 31' Holiday Rambler weighing about the same as the AS with an '03 F150. The 5.4 had the power but needed more gears than that tranny had. I have had two 5.4s before this one and know they have the power to do the job. We got the Ingot Silver color to best match the AS. We will head for Bonita Springs, FL on Jan. 1. Can't wait to be on the road !!!!

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Sounds like a lot fun, excitement and seafood. What model did you get in the F150 and would you change any second any of your selected features or add any?

I was very surprised at the quietness in the cabin on the road.
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Old 11-17-2009, 05:32 PM   #24
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come on Ravendog I'll push you right over the edge as my 9 yr old tried to do me a few months back looking at new trucks. Just throw the capacity of the tow vehicle out the window and go with the Banks equipped F-450 King Ranch 4x4. Add to it the Truview mobile sattellite connection on the roof, a ram mount laptop mount on the floor, a laptop with whatever mapping software you like the best (trimble) and tow whatever you want that Airstream can make. You won't even need a distribution hitch (that will be some savings). No worries if you decide on something else later you'll have the rig to do the work.

That is a monster rig. I could tow my house with that and it wouldn''t move. Getting closer all the time and then farther away. But I'm sure I'll squeeze the trigger soon. I was never a Ford guy either. I could end up being converted........
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Old 11-17-2009, 05:41 PM   #25
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1. With the 5.4 and even a 25', you will eventually want the 3.73, or even lower, so get it now.

2. Do you intend to go off road? What does the 4X4 cost in initial price, fuel mileage, and maintenance, and what does a tow truck cost in the event you do get stuck? (I've been towing for many, many years with a 2 wheel drive, and never been stuck, but don't go off road)

2 again. I've got 20's now and wish I had 18's. You cannot buy LT tires or even load range C 20's...only XL's, and the 20's cost lots more. But, if looks are the thing for you, then..........

3. Lots of GPS systems available, I'd get the aftermarket that I really wanted.

4. What colors do you like? I like blue or Red, but what does that matter?

5. Not a doubt in my mind, ProPride.

6. As others have said, you will want either a cover or a camper shell. I like the shell because it give you lots more storage/hauling room.

And last, welcome to the forums. Do some surfing here, and you will learn lots.

Thank you! Your recommendations are well received and I may go with most or all of them. Definitely the tires, 4X4 and the 3.73 upfront. Don't know anything about hitches yet but I will check into the ProPride for sure. As for the cover, I have not got there yet either. Lots of options and choices......

I'm pretty well satisfied with any of the colors so it will probably come down to what's on the vehicle purchased. There seems to be a shortage of King Ranch vehicles, especially with 18 inch wheels. Not having much luck.

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I sold Fords for a bit (I sold myself mine). They can locate the vehicle you want anywhere, and if you want you can order the truck you want. Second, ask for a salesperson that is master certified. They have all the specs available, they just need to know where to look for it, usually in large black binders or the can call Ford directly.

I'm not promoting Ford, just happen to know about them. I went through a lot of trouble to get my master certification, but it was well worth it. I left that job in 06 or I could be more help with the new models.

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Absolutely treasured information. I've talked with salepeople who know less than I did when I started looking. I may have to start charging them for training lessons - although I'll have to share the income with you guys!
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Old 11-17-2009, 05:49 PM   #27
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First off, welcome to the Forums. We're glad to have you with us.

We pull a 2005 25FB, named Lucy. We have pulled Lucy over 50,000 miles and have spent over 500 nights in her in the last three years. We pull Lucy with 3/4 ton Suburbans. Lucy weight 7400# ready to camp.

If you plan to pull heavier than Lucy, you may want to consider a 3/4 ton tow vehicle. We pulled Lucy with our 1/2 ton Tahoe, and found the towing experience less than satisfying.

Do as you will, but a 1/2 truck of any brand may not be up to the job of towing heavy.

Remember that an insufficient tow vehicle is the number one cause of a perfectly good Airstream becoming a very expensive piece of yard art.

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Thanks, I'm heeding your advice. May need to make some compromises or lose weight; one of the two......

50,000 miles - That's quite impressive.......
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I bought my truck used and it came with two items I wouldn't have bought: the factory slip-in plastic bedliner, and a LEER topper. Now I wouldn't be without either. The liner allows me to slide heavy items easily the length of this 8' bed, and the topper gives me a great deal of capacity. I use load-locks to secure cargo (Save-A-Load : World's Best Load Bars : Cargo Bars for Heavy Duty, Commercial & Private Vehicles)and recommend that other devices be used to keep things contained. With an 8' bed I could have gone with a tonneau cover, and have admired this one:

DiamondBack :: Covers as Tough as Your Truck

As well, CENTRAMATIC Balancers for TV & TT:

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The next trailer I buy will be converted to disc brakes, and you'll find threads aplenty around here. At this point I'll go with KODIAK brakes and a CARLISLE actuator (and BRAKESMART control).

I could not recommend any more highly getting a Pro-Pride or Hensley Arrow hitch. It's cheap for what it does.

As to the truck, new or used, I'd convert the anti-roll bar bushings to polyurethane (polygraphite), and install KONI or BILSTEIN shocks the day after purchase.

For a man traveling, say, 5,000-miles annually, the 1/2-ton is an okay choice on a trailer of 7,000-lbs GVWR. To travel for several months at a time (10,000-miles or more), then the 3/4T is an easy choice. As FORD offers an extended cab (not a crewcab, in this instance) that would be my choice along with the 8' bed.

The best diesel is undoubtedly CUMMINS, and my choice is for the manual transmission. True that few are willing to row gears, but the rig control is unmatched by a slushbox. I find 4WD more trouble than it is worth (maintenance, repairs, weight, handling), but having factory tow hooks installed makes for a quick yank onto dry land. I believe that it is MANDATORY to have an anti-spin rear axle (Positraction, Sure Grip, whatever the name for the factory piece) and that that fluid should be changed 12-15,000 miles or annually). I get outstanding fuel mileage solo and towing with the Cummins Turbo Diesel.

Do you remember the old ads touting high compression, big V8 engines of long ago? How they "flattened out the hills"? This is what a turbodiesel will do. If I set my cruise control to exactly match a gas pickemup ahead of me, I'll eventually have to pull out and pass him. Trailer towing is easier as a result, as is solo driving. It isn't about the fear some exude because they have to downshift and maintain higher rpms for a long grade with a gasser, it is about being able to maintain a constant speed more easily. An exhaust brake is recommended (standard on DODGE).

There is a big difference in choosing powertrains, etc, from driving solo to driving loaded and towing. The "best" demo drive would be with a 5,000-lb trailer in tow. Maybe you know someone?
Definitely some good advice and recommendations and I'll keep them in mind. The plastic bed is probably a necessary early purchase along with a cover. With your skills, abilities and needs I'm sure the HD would be your choice. The balancing of the wheels is something to think about to. Never gave it thought. May need to consider it after the initial cash disbursements.

Thanks for the heads up.........
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