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Old 06-26-2014, 11:58 PM   #71
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My 2013 Echoboost has a payload of 1100lbs. Pulling my 25' Cloud I am 400lbs. over on the drive axle. However my TV bed is full. Also I have 4 AGM batteries on the Cloud. Looking to go take a serious look at the 2015's and get the payload right.
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Old 06-27-2014, 07:43 AM   #72
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Sorry to be a downer but talk to two mechanics at my dealership they thought the 5.0 was a better choice I bought the 5.0 and tow with it 24' argosy double did drive the ego boost but I keep my trucks as long as possible and worried about up keep cost later on an all the stress on the smaller engine.
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Sorry to be a downer but talk to two mechanics at my dealership they thought the 5.0 was a better choice I bought the 5.0 and tow with it 24' argosy double did drive the ego boost but I keep my trucks as long as possible and worried about up keep cost later on an all the stress on the smaller engine.
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We pull our 27FB classic with a 2013 Lariat EB with no problems. We bought the truck in Nov. of 2013 and now have 12500 miles on it. We pull about 20K per year so have gone through a few trucks. We have Max tow and extended mirrors. Works great and have had zero problems. I don't know about other trucks, we have stayed with Ford since mid 90's. We find this truck comfortable and easy to drive. We have the 5.5 bed to fit into the garage. A good hitch makes a big difference of course.

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Echoboost is a great tow vehicle...

We have had our 2012 Platinum, 4X4 Echoboost since June 2012, and average 7.5K miles in summer towing. Current mileage is 51K. We tow a 25' FB FlyingCloud to/from/all around MT & TX. If you keep the MPH below 67, you can get into the low 20+mpg pretty consistently without towing, and 12-13mpg towing....but get to 70+mph and you drop to 17mpg empty and 10mpg towing. We love the torque and when towing, you hardly know anything behind you! We just picked up a new 25 FC, with BlueOx 1000# hitch; great combination. Truck drives like a dream and super comfortable/quite, etc..great sound system also! (this is our 3rd 25' and 3rd tow vehicle...last 2 were new Tahoe's, so do have a little experience)

I am interested in looking at the 2015, but also interested in seeing some more user stats on the new RAM turbo-diesel 6 cylinder from Fiat, with 8-speed mentioned in another thread. I read that a guy pulled a 30' AS all over some park, up/down hills, and averaged 15-17 mpg towing with 27-28mpg when not towing....any one else have news on that one? (I know this thread is Echoboost.)
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...again, MikeKey has it right. Exceeding payload, hitch or tongue weight issues are not chronic problems you would constantly experience cruising down the road 45,000 across the desert when everything is la-tee-dah. The hap-hazard thumbing your nose at specs cause the safety crisis when the specs are challenged by perhaps an accident, a blown tire, a need to brake or stop quickly or even the fact this has gone on for 45,000 miles it may have considerably weakened the system which can and will break. These and many many more situations stress everything that has a capacity/safety rating. I guess a person can think it is OK to exceed these specs and boast about it until someone dies or gets hurt due to this sort of negligence. Just like Toyota, the Eco-Boost can tow an enormous amount of trailer weight but that is not the question nor is it the import stuff. Safe travels and travel responsibly! If it doesn't matter to you, let it matter for the rest of us on the road.
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I didn't realize I'd offend so many by being able to do math and tell the difference between payload capacity and towing capacity.

It should be noted, someone who tows on weekends has different needs from a full-timer.

And the fact remains, people order different options. This results in a wide range of payload capacities.

For us before I started leaning toward Dodge (wife still like the Ford) the trucks we liked with the OPTIONS we liked (Crewcab, 5.6ft bed, leather interior, sync system, 4x4 and for her sunroof) keep bouncing between 1200lbs payload and 1480lbs payload. You know a Platinumm SLT, FX4 all vary in payload rating. When you're buying used, like us, this means spending a lot of time looking over each vehicle and it's door sticker and researching in forums like this.


I don't need to carry the KITCHEN SINK to overload the vehicle. We've been overlanding for the past 5 yrs of marriage, and camping out of an SUV with rooftop tent. So I know about packing what I need. I also consider myself a little bit of a minimilist.

But from various posts, others keep saying that the hitch weight of the trailers we're looking at are in reality between 850 - 1000lbs. (27ft International CCD FB) If we just go safe route and say 950lbs hitch.

1480lbs - I think we looked at one with no sunroof and the 17inch rims that had this.

1480-950lbs= 530lbs - 20lbs to get my weight to match Fords 150lb driver.

510 - my wife + daughter & car seat = 300lbs.

Now I have 300lbs of payload left over.

I want to carry a generator, two 5 gallon Nato fuel cans, and my 135 piece craftsman tool box, and some recovery gear. Defm not the kitchen sink. I hope that fits in 300lbs.

Can I do it? Probably. But what happens is my hitch weighs 1000lbs? Empty the Airstream? How much breathing room is good enough? I know there are folks towing giant 31ft Airstreams with mini-vans, so.... does payload matter?

Please forgive me, I'm not trying to bash anyone's decision. I am just trying to communicate that Payload capacity and being safe is a concern for some of us. I also do not want a larger truck personally.

I know that I can get a 6ft bed and cloth seats, no sunroof and 17 inch rims and skip FX4 package and get 1800lbs payload. But I want my leather seats. I don't want a 6ft bed on a crew cab because that's as big as a quad cab with an 8ft bed. It's just HUGE! We're going to be full timers. We have a 6mo old, for me I care about the numbers.

Everyone's tastes are different, and if you aren't ordering new, this means you're going to be spending time fusing over the numbers. Which I am currently doing.

Sorry if my math offends anyone. Not my intentions. Before these forums, I thought I was just going to go out and buy a truck based on a few likes and be done. I had no idea about the differences of Payload Capacity and Towing Capacity. Now I do, thanks to all the great folks here, I can make a more informed decision.

:P

For me personally, I am still interested in the Ecoboost, but the ones that I want with the options we like seem to be too low in the payload department, and that worries me.

So if anyone else has one spec'd out with nice options and payload that works with above numbers, please share your specs so I can search for this setup.
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Bob, the Tow Sway Control is "always on" (even when not using the Tow/Haul feature) anytime the truck is started. My guess is that this feature works the brakes and in doing so improves towing safety. When not towing I feel as though it does not need to be on and for me it is an amazing improvement in mileage when off. I have to turn it "off" each time I start the vehicle. It is a little effort with a nice $aving$ in fuel expense.
Earthcreeper- I agree with you on turning off the Sway Control when towing with AS. I was told by the service manager at my dealer and also by an AS technician when I bought my new one last month, to be sure and turn the Sway Control off since it would work against the tow hitch sway system. Works for me and like I said, we don't overload, we do cover a lot of highway and different terrains in our travels. I don't even know the AS is behind most of the time...happy Echoboost camper!
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Payload of Echoboost vs other F150's

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I didn't realize I'd offend so many by being able to do math and tell the difference between payload capacity and towing capacity.

It should be noted, someone who tows on weekends has different needs from a full-timer.

And the fact remains, people order different options. This results in a wide range of payload capacities.

For us before I started leaning toward Dodge (wife still like the Ford) the trucks we liked with the OPTIONS we liked (Crewcab, 5.6ft bed, leather interior, sync system, 4x4 and for her sunroof) keep bouncing between 1200lbs payload and 1480lbs payload. You know a Platinumm SLT, FX4 all vary in payload rating. When you're buying used, like us, this means spending a lot of time looking over each vehicle and it's door sticker and researching in forums like this.


I don't need to carry the KITCHEN SINK to overload the vehicle. We've been overlanding for the past 5 yrs of marriage, and camping out of an SUV with rooftop tent. So I know about packing what I need. I also consider myself a little bit of a minimilist.

But from various posts, others keep saying that the hitch weight of the trailers we're looking at are in reality between 850 - 1000lbs. (27ft International CCD FB) If we just go safe route and say 950lbs hitch.

1480lbs - I think we looked at one with no sunroof and the 17inch rims that had this.

1480-950lbs= 530lbs - 20lbs to get my weight to match Fords 150lb driver.

510 - my wife + daughter & car seat = 300lbs.

Now I have 300lbs of payload left over.

I want to carry a generator, two 5 gallon Nato fuel cans, and my 135 piece craftsman tool box, and some recovery gear. Defm not the kitchen sink. I hope that fits in 300lbs.

Can I do it? Probably. But what happens is my hitch weighs 1000lbs? Empty the Airstream? How much breathing room is good enough? I know there are folks towing giant 31ft Airstreams with mini-vans, so.... does payload matter?

Please forgive me, I'm not trying to bash anyone's decision. I am just trying to communicate that Payload capacity and being safe is a concern for some of us. I also do not want a larger truck personally.

I know that I can get a 6ft bed and cloth seats, no sunroof and 17 inch rims and skip FX4 package and get 1800lbs payload. But I want my leather seats. I don't want a 6ft bed on a crew cab because that's as big as a quad cab with an 8ft bed. It's just HUGE! We're going to be full timers. We have a 6mo old, for me I care about the numbers.

Everyone's tastes are different, and if you aren't ordering new, this means you're going to be spending time fusing over the numbers. Which I am currently doing.

Sorry if my math offends anyone. Not my intentions. Before these forums, I thought I was just going to go out and buy a truck based on a few likes and be done. I had no idea about the differences of Payload Capacity and Towing Capacity. Now I do, thanks to all the great folks here, I can make a more informed decision.

:P

For me personally, I am still interested in the Ecoboost, but the ones that I want with the options we like seem to be too low in the payload department, and that worries me.

So if anyone else has one spec'd out with nice options and payload that works with above numbers, please share your specs so I can search for this setup.
I am certainly not an expert in this area, but I will share our experience over past 8 years, 3 tow vehicles, 3 AS's and a Casita. We love our 2012 F150 SuperCab, Platinum series Echoboost (all the "bells/whistles", for you both) (plus it comes with a 36 Gal fuel tank!) We have a new 25' FC; our second 25' AS with this same tow vehicle. No issues and not concerned. We use a new BlueOx "load leveling" anti-sway-control hitch, with 1000# bars; this helps equalize the "load sharing" on the vehicle and trailer. We have the Platinum with 4X4; not FX or Off Road models... I believe they both ride rougher, my experience driving all 3. I have the .355 rear end which with the 6 speed gets me reasonable mileage and performance, even with the 25'. I really think you'll be fine if you don't overload your bed...that may be your issue. Consider heavier springs perhaps if you go that route? Below are the specs you were mentioning...I think payload is quite good for this combination of 25 thru 28' and this F150... You should be able to find a used 1-2 year old lease return for mid-high $20's...IMHO. There is a max load tow package, but typically you need to special order with .373 rear end.

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Engine
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SuperCab 4x4
145"
3.7L V6
6900
1510
SuperCab 4x4
145"
5.0L V8
7350
1830
SuperCab 4x4
145"
3.5L EcoBoost V6
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1660
SuperCab 4x4
145"
3.5L EcoBoost V6
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2000*
SuperCab 4x4
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6.2L V8
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1950
SuperCrew 4x4
145"
3.5L EcoBoost V6
7200†
1300†
SuperCrew 4x4
145"
3.5L EcoBoost V6
7200
1520
SuperCrew 4x4
145"
3.5L EcoBoost V6
7650*
1900*
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So if anyone else has one spec'd out with nice options and payload that works with above numbers, please share your specs so I can search for this setup.
Mikekey,
You may be able to find a used 2011 F-150 Supercrew 4X4 (145") EB in the Lariat (not Larriat Limited) package that has:
3.73 rear end
GCWR of 17,100
Max trailer 11,300
Payload 1761
Max truck weight 7700
That package has leather seats and Max trailer tow package with 17 inch wheels, plus the leather you are looking for.
I have the same truck only it has the 6.2 gasser. I pull a 1999 34 FT Excella wide body (with a Hensley hitch) that weights 9650 including a tongue weight of 1100.
Totally loaded for camping I have 150 lbs left on trucks 7700 lb GVW. This includes wife, full fuel tank of 36 gals, generator, kayaks, grill & propane tank among other things.
Total for truck and trailer is 16,120 well inside the 17100 GCWR,
BTW, a F-150 does not have a Class V hitch available that I can find from the factory or after market. It does have a Class IV that has a 1200 TW with weight distribution.
The only issue I have with this set up is the 4050 LB rear axle capacity. I can exceed that in a heartbeat and do have to watch my loading. Last time thru the scales I had it 30 lbs over so just moved a tool box back to the trailer.
We are very happy with this truck plus it will fit in the garage.
Good luck in your search. Some of us are not clueless especially MOJO
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I didn't realize I'd offend so many by being able to do math and tell the difference between payload capacity and towing capacity.

It should be noted, someone who tows on weekends has different needs from a full-timer.

And the fact remains, people order different options. This results in a wide range of payload capacities.
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...again, MikeKey has it right. Exceeding payload, hitch or tongue weight issues are not chronic problems you would constantly experience cruising down the road 45,000 across the desert when everything is la-tee-dah. The hap-hazard thumbing your nose at specs cause the safety crisis when the specs are challenged
The point is that you can sit and crunch numbers all day long but the reality is discovered when you go to the scales. Don't assume that just because you don't like what you hear, or have made a decision to take another route based upon some published specs, that everyone who actually owns and tows with an Ecoboost is an uneducated idiot.

As stated, all truck brands come in various configurations with a payload capacity that can vary by 2,000 lbs based upon the model. Mine works for me. I own a hitch weight scale and I use it based upon which vehicle I tow with. I do about 15,000 miles a year all over the western US and have to tow over two of the worst passes in Colorado just to go north or east. So please do not assume that I, or anyone else on the forums are some "clueless" rube who is looking for a busted hitch or some other calamity. Hope you have made the right decision in choosing your Dodge, Chevy, Toyota or whatever.
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I apologize for my haphazard choice of words earlier in the thread. But, I got it now. Contentious subject. Religion, politics, diesel vs gas. Yup. Got it.
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I took a photo of the Manufacturers sticker on my hitch. I do believe it is a class V hitch with higher capacities than those stated on AirHeadsRus previous comment regarding the F150 class IV. I wonder if the class IV or V is related more to which F150 model you have or package the truck was built with?

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if you ordered the max tow package you also got a more stout hitch which is rated class 4/5. more than a 4 but less than a 5.
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