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Old 11-26-2014, 07:20 AM   #239
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Yes, this is a standard cab. I can't fit into anything else height wise.


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Old 11-26-2014, 11:49 AM   #240
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This is the sticker off my 2013 F150 4x4 w/ max tow and max payload.

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Understand...we have a SuperCrew and my sticker says 1093 lbs...2 in front, 3 in rear. The dog only weighs in at 40 lbs, wife is 125, and I'm somewhere between 220 and 230 so it works for us, unless we all eat too much at Thanksgiving!
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Old 11-26-2014, 01:10 PM   #241
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That is a tremendous amount of payload - 2734#.

By the way, got off the phone with the local dealer truck specialist about my questions regarding the new and current F150 and came to some conclusions that may help some of you in your decision process.

I have a 7000 lb gross loaded AS weight (25' Safari). Considering the engine/differential options at length, here is what became of my phone conference:

2014- 3.5L eco or 5.0. -- ecoboost better daily driver/tow look for 3.31 rear as it is quite sufficient with power/torque curve and better for hwy.

2015 - 2.7 or 3.5 best choice due to power/torque but 2.7 would require 3.73 rear to allow for greater than 1600# payload and lower fuel mpg leaving 3.5 Liter as probable best choice with greater power but order with lower gear as most owners with even 3.55 stated that even when towing the engine was a bear and could benefit from a lower gear on highways and still be strong enough to pull in most situations without any strain- 3.15 electronic LS recommended. (ironically the 2.7L with 3.31 was tested pulling a 23' 6000 lb AS with no issues on hilly ground by CU. He wrote 3.55 but they do not offer that rear on a 2015 2.7L said Ford guy so it was the 3.31 as it did not have the max payload pkg either).

Point is that while the 2.7 with 3.31 is powerful enough to pull 7600 lbs with a payload of around 1600# it offers not much more additional cargo/towing power than I have now.

The 3.5L with the lower gear is well suited at nearly 11000 lbs tow power and over 2000 pounds of payload all without gearing higher (lower mpg or getting max payload pkg). The MPG rating for it is 17/24 in that configuration. The one thing that the specialist said was that more important than anything else regarding towing was WHEN you get the maximum torque (at what RPM) and the 3.5 is maxed at a very low 2500rpm- the 5.0 is 3800rpm (380 ft lbs) and my current truck is at 4000rpm(320 ft lbs). Here is the good part. Current owners, he said, towing 6000-7000# trailers, boats, etc wrote in saying that the engine could stand another gear for cruising - this from people with the tow package and 3.31 differential running 1500 rpm@65mph and some 3.55 owners on the current heavier truck. So, consider 800 lbs less truck. The torque on this engine is a diesel-like 420 ft lbs@2500 so it stands to reason that it is the best choice for towing heavier items. The larger payloads simply allow for even bigger trailers!

In my case, between the 2.7 with max payload and 3.73 (maxed out) OR the 3.5 with standard tow package and 3.15 differential, the 3.5 Ecoboost would be a better choice as the power excess would be more than adequate to not require a stump puller differential. Consider that there are also 3.5 Liter 2014 models available now. The MPG is 15/21 versus the 2015 17/24 but what difference in $$$ will there be? So it comes down to differential and payload rating on a 2014 or wait for more payload with the differential of choice on a 2015-- and price.
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Old 11-26-2014, 01:49 PM   #242
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So you are saying if you want a 2014 go for the 3.5L with 3.31 and its is sufficient performance and payload. I have a 2008 Classic 25fb, probably 7500lbs. I looked at a 2014 XLT Supercrew 3.5L 3.73 157" WB and its payload was 1765 with the 7700 GVWR package.

With 2015 you can get away with a 3.5L with 3.15 because of the weight decrease in these models.

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Old 11-27-2014, 08:09 AM   #243
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If I were not towing I would go with the 2.7 Echo. Good deals on left over 2014's. I currently have a 2013 Echo which is quite skinny on the payload so I have ordered a 2015 Platinum. Even though the 2.7 might work in some situations I believe bigger engines tend to work a little less hard.
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Old 11-27-2014, 08:59 AM   #244
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So you are saying if you want a 2014 go for the 3.5L with 3.31 and its is sufficient performance and payload. I have a 2008 Classic 25fb, probably 7500lbs. I looked at a 2014 XLT Supercrew 3.5L 3.73 157" WB and its payload was 1765 with the 7700 GVWR package.

With 2015 you can get away with a 3.5L with 3.15 because of the weight decrease in these models.
That is about right. You would have to check the payload rating of the 2014 BEFORE anything else to make sure you had enough for tongue weight, cargo and people. The '14 super crew truck is also heavier and the towing rating for the 3.31 and 3.5L is 9400 pounds in 4x2 version and 9200 in the 4x4 version. This not from the specialist but from me looking it up to answer.

Yes, the weight decrease for 2015 apparently has quite a bit to do with the differential, payload and tow capacity.

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f I were not towing I would go with the 2.7 Echo. Good deals on left over 2014's.
Me too Graysailor. My call was driven to see if I could, in any way, get that newer engine for my daily use AND towing. What I came away with though was not necessarily bad news. If I gear up the 2.7 with the 3.73 I would no longer get the mpg rating BUT using the lower gear with the 3.5 should make mpg very similar and closer its best rating of 17/24- not too bad for all that power.
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If I were not towing I would go with the 2.7 Echo. Good deals on left over 2014's. I currently have a 2013 Echo which is quite skinny on the payload so I have ordered a 2015 Platinum. Even though the 2.7 might work in some situations I believe bigger engines tend to work a little less hard.
How do you know what the useable load will be ordering? Platinums have the highest trim levels which usually lowers payload.

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"Current owners, he said, towing 6000-7000# trailers, boats, etc wrote in saying that the engine could stand another gear for cruising - this from people with the tow package and 3.31 differential running 1500 rpm@65mph and some 3.55 owners on the current heavier truck. So, consider 800 lbs less truck. The torque on this engine is a diesel-like 420 ft lbs@2500 so it stands to reason that it is the best choice for towing heavier items. The larger payloads simply allow for even bigger trailers! "


Thanks for the post! I agree about the extra gear (or an 8-10 speed trany)...in my experience towing and just cursing, there is plenty power, but when you get above 60Mpg....the gas goes pretty quick..as others have also noted, with the 3.5 EB w/3.55, typical day to day without towing is 13-15 mpg, with just a "little" heavy foot around town and highway. Towing however is 9-10 consistently.....Love our 2012 except for the mileage; I just think the lighter weight with 8 speed would help improve things quite a bit and if/when they decide to offer. Great information.
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Yes, Platinums do have the highest trim levels and the rear end can be no lower then 3.55. I was hoping for the 3.73. Even still my payload should come out around 2050 lbs. and towing somewhere in the 10,000 to 12,000 range. Ford has not released all the info for the 6.5 foot box but it looks like I am well covered. The reason went with the Platinum is because after I ordered all the toys on a less trim model I might as well have ordered the Platinum

Side note about mySync. I got a phone call from Ford yesterday saying that my battery was low on charge. Sure enough this morning I had a dead battery. Amazing how they can keep track of your engine and give you a heads up about potential problems.
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Old 11-28-2014, 08:57 AM   #248
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The empty weight difference between the base truck model and a fully optioned Ford 150 series truck was over 500 pounds two years ago. That means the leather seats and other "glitz stuff" are using up payload all the time.

Setting the throttle at 55 mph will be far more efficient than 60 or higher. Some may remember the 70s and 55 mph. Every 5 mph incremental increase over 55 typically sucks another 10% from fuel economy. Thus one might expect 20% better mileage at 55 mph than at 65 mph.

The adage is correct that slowing down saves fuel operational money.

My real world analogy is with my 2010 Honda GoldWing. At 55 mph I get close to 40 mpg. At 80 mph on I-10 in Texas, the fuel economy number is reduced to the mid 20s mpg. Thus getting there a little quicker costs a substantial premium that is given to Big Oil.
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Yes, Platinums do have the highest trim levels and the rear end can be no lower then 3.55. I was hoping for the 3.73. Even still my payload should come out around 2050 lbs. and towing somewhere in the 10,000 to 12,000 range. Ford has not released all the info for the 6.5 foot box but it looks like I am well covered. The reason went with the Platinum is because after I ordered all the toys on a less trim model I might as well have ordered the Platinum

Side note about mySync. I got a phone call from Ford yesterday saying that my battery was low on charge. Sure enough this morning I had a dead battery. Amazing how they can keep track of your engine and give you a heads up about potential problems.
My wife liked the retractable running boards...I like everything on the Platinum....except the MPG...but that's my foots fault!
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The Ford F-150 3.5 liter Eco-Boost is a great truck which can tow nearly any Airstream.

The only caveat I would suggest you consider is the payload capacity of the F-150 model you are considering (you have to look this up for each combination of cab/bed/engine/drive train/options since this figure can vary quite a bit.) In general the F-150 3.5 liter Eco-Boost's payload is in the 1,800 to 2,000 lbs. range.

That may sound like a lot, but when you figure the hitch weight of an EMPTY 25 foot Airstream is about 800 lbs., a cap for your pick-up can be 200 to 300 lbs., gasoline for the pick-up about 100 lbs., two passengers @ 150 lbs. each, you are already at about 1,500 lbs. before any other gear you may bring along (e.g., generator, "gear," dogs, firewood, etc..)

So if you pack your truck heavily, you need to be careful about payload. If you don't have a cap and leave your bed pretty much empty, then the F-150 Eco-Boost is a great choice.
IIRC -ALL mfgrs curb wt & other load capacities has to include a 150# driver, all fluids - including a full tank (ergo some of the differences by each model/set-up), & all options included ata certain level.

So your math above is over-deducting for the driver & fuel.

Oh, PS for the OP & others considering the EcoBoost F150 - my newbie 1st ever rented truck TT tow to bring our 1960 Avion T20 (2900-3200# then essentially empty when we bought from the PO) back from ABQ NM to SoCal on I40/I10 was with a brand new 2012 3.5L V6 EcoBoost 4x4 (only used 2WD mode) Extended Cad/short bed (6.5') equipped with the basic tow package & built-in anti-sway, & that included some climbing in NM, up to Flagstaff, & across I10 via the US60 cut-across thru Wickenburg AZ & onto CA desert. So a mix of mostly interstate & 2-laners.

It pretty much got close to the same 12-14 mpg with & 17 or 17 mpg without the TT, as I'd driven SoCal to Sallisaw Ok then back to ABQ empty, before picking up the new-to-us T20. It worked a bit harder on the steeper grades than a V8 or Diesel would've, but certainly never taxed.

IMHO the latest trend of super-jacked-up trucks makes them suck worse on fuel, not to mention making them a PITA to get in/out & to load them side or tailgate.

Apparently this is driven by their marketing gurus, so I say we commit them to 3-5 years hard labor loading, unloading & getting in & out of these ridiculously too high beasts!

I think a more low slung 2 or 4x would get better mpg & be far more user friendly.
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The 150# driver is considered for GVWR only and is not part of the payload (based on F150, etc manuals).


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