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Old 11-18-2014, 10:34 AM   #211
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Hard to find 7650 GVWR models on the lot. Most are 7200 GVWR. I did find one that seems perfect for towing. 3.73, 7700 gvwr, supercrew. The only thing I don't like about it is the length (6 1/2' bed on with a supercrew) but you have to go that length to get the GVWR. $35986 advertised. With the extra length and weight what would be the true payload I wonder?

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Old 11-18-2014, 12:11 PM   #212
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Hard to find 7650 GVWR models on the lot. Most are 7200 GVWR. I did find one that seems perfect for towing. 3.73, 7700 gvwr, supercrew. The only thing I don't like about it is the length (6 1/2' bed on with a supercrew) but you have to go that length to get the GVWR. $35986 advertised. With the extra length and weight what would be the true payload I wonder?

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I'm not sure the truck you linked to has the HD Payload option (the one that gets you that max GVWR) because the photos show 6-lug wheels, and HD Payload in that generation comes with 7-lug wheels (and that long wheelbase, 6.5' bed).

Ask that dealer to email you a photo of the placard on the B-pillar that states that particular truck's payload. You'll be able to double-check whether they send you a photo of the placard from the right truck because their ad shows the VIN of the blue truck, and the placard will show the tail end of the VIN.
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Old 11-18-2014, 12:19 PM   #213
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From that page is a link to the window sticker and it shows the 7700 GVWR package.

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Old 11-18-2014, 12:41 PM   #214
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From that page is a link to the window sticker and it shows the 7700 GVWR package.

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Looking back at the 2014 Ordering Guide, the HD Payload package I referred to is for 8200 lb GVWR, not 7700.

The door placard will still show you the official payload for that individual truck, though. The '14 Ordering Guide shows a max possible payload for the config (SuperCrew 4x4, Ecoboost, 157" wb, 7700 lb GWVR) of 1840 lb.
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Old 11-22-2014, 03:42 PM   #215
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Looking at this new 2014 4x4 XLT Supercrew. Max Trailer Pkg with 3.73 and 6.5' bed. Its only 12" longer than the normal short SuperCrew Test drove it today and found it very nice. I liked the way it drove better than my Tundra however the turning radius isn't as good.

It has a 7700 GVWR.

According to the 2014 features description choosing the Max Payload removes a bunch of options so what does Ford do to increase GVRW listings. I've see 7200 Package, 7350 package and this 7700 package. According to Ford documentation it states the available payload before passengers. Doesn't mention if the fuel tank is full or not. This seems the best you can do. Attached is the weigh labels. This payload is only 300lbs more than my 2015 2wd Tundra Double cab.

I'm not in any rush so I could wait another year and see what 2015 models present. However, will I be able to find max trailer packages on the lot. Seems to be hard to find.

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Old 11-22-2014, 05:07 PM   #216
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Why are you getting another truck?
What is wrong with the Tundra?
The Tundra turning radius is about equal to my Nissan Pathfinder's turning radius.
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Old 11-22-2014, 08:11 PM   #217
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Since moving here my wife has been wondering if we should have a 4x4/AWD vehicle. I don't want to buy a AWD passenger car so I though why not upgrade to a 4x4 tow vehicle we can use in about 3-4 years when we are retired and can go on extended trips, mainly out west.

We like our Tundra and it has been a good tow vehicle but it has two flaws; it only has 1465lbs payload showing on the load sticker on the door. I'm sure I'm running close to or over the GVWR of 6900lbs when towing. The gas tank is limited to only 26 gal even on the 4x4 models. I don't like the style of the 2014 Tundras and I feel the Tundra is getting a little long in the tooth to invest in another Tundra. The F150 4x4 has a 36gal tank and the Ecoboost would tow better at high altitudes in the West. I have to admit I preferred the ride of the F150 we drove today.

I found a 2013 F150 Ecoboost SupercrewLariet with 19k miles with a HD Payload package with Max Tow. It has an 8200lb GVWR and has LT E rated tires for a little less than the new 2014 XLT with only the 7700lb GVWR. I'll try to test drive it next week.

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Old 11-22-2014, 09:19 PM   #218
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Looking at this new 2014 4x4 XLT Supercrew. Max Trailer Pkg with 3.73 and 6.5' bed. Its only 12" longer than the normal short SuperCrew Test drove it today and found it very nice. I liked the way it drove better than my Tundra however the turning radius isn't as good.

It has a 7700 GVWR.

According to the 2014 features description choosing the Max Payload removes a bunch of options so what does Ford do to increase GVRW listings. I've see 7200 Package, 7350 package and this 7700 package. According to Ford documentation it states the available payload before passengers. Doesn't mention if the fuel tank is full or not. This seems the best you can do. Attached is the weigh labels. This payload is only 300lbs more than my 2015 2wd Tundra Double cab.

I'm not in any rush so I could wait another year and see what 2015 models present. However, will I be able to find max trailer packages on the lot. Seems to be hard to find.

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Hi Kelvin:
I have this exact truck and just purchased it back in September. I'm using it to tow my 28' and it does a fine job.

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Hey Robert. I've been posting about this upcoming truck for a while, following it and reading anything I can. I am thinking about the 2.7L ecoboost. Right now I have an '09 Supercrew with the 5'6" bed and the 4.6L 3V engine w/6 spd and tow pkg. and 3.55 rear (292HP/320 ft lbs.). My payload is 1548 lbs. The truck runs and pulls great. I know it works on hills pulling but it is quite capable with nearly the same HP/torque of the 5.4L of the same vintage. The 2.7 (325HP/375ft lbs.) still has more power than my current truck and would be beneficial when not towing. From what I have read, the payload on a supercrew like that will be about 2200 lbs in the new version. That would be perfect for a 25' Airstream me thinks. The 3.7L eco gets, on average 1 more mpg on the highway than me and about 2 mpg more in town. The new one is supposed to up that by 20% minimum.

Articfox- my manual says the truck weight and payload rating are based on full tank of gas (not impacted by payload)

Kelvin, when I looked at the Toyotas the one thing I noticed was their lower payloads- more comparable to the 5-7 year old F150s. The new 2015 F150s will have nearly all the weight savings added to payload. That is significant. Your sticker shows 1765 lbs. Another thing I learned is that the wheel options can impact payload too. Have to be careful on wheel choice. A guy got a new one last year. While I was looking at it I noted that his payload was just over 1000 lbs on a Lariat (loaded) with fancy wheels. You can also check with Ford direct online just by the VIN number and see the options on the truck. I just looked up the VIN you posted and it has the max payload pkg. with max tow.
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Old 11-22-2014, 10:12 PM   #220
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Regarding Ford payload definitions, I've found this definition in the Ford fleet Truck Payload 2014 document.

Payload
Maximum payload is defined as the weight of all passengers, optional and aftermarket equipment, and cargo

Base Curb Weight
The weight of the vehicle including standard equipment, oil, lubricants and a full tank of fuel. It does not include the weight of driver, passengers, cargo or any optional or aftermarket equipment

I would assume then the payload shown on the yellow door sticker is therefore GVWR minus the weight of the truck with a full tank. Therefore calculating payload would include the drivers weight.

Further in the document they assume the weight of a driver or passenger is only 150lb.

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correct. Payload deficits are going to be people, cargo and rated tongue weight.
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Curious to know from those that have either done the research or have experiences - My 2013 ecoboost F150 has just passed 30,000 miles on its way to 36,000 warranted expiry. Any thoughts as to extended warrantee viability/need - especially as it's my AS tow vehicle as well?

I only feel burned from two prior Dodge Rams I had which both had the transmissions completely fall apart within a year after warrantee expiration. (No I don't want any Dodge vs Ford answers; more just want to know if the warrantee for a Ford will likely be used before 125,000 miles.
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Old 11-23-2014, 12:14 AM   #223
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Hi, I bought the factory ESP for my new truck ; I believe I got 6 years and 75,000 miles with $100.00 deductible.
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Curious to know from those that have either done the research or have experiences - My 2013 ecoboost F150 has just passed 30,000 miles on its way to 36,000 warranted expiry. Any thoughts as to extended warrantee viability/need - especially as it's my AS tow vehicle as well?

I only feel burned from two prior Dodge Rams I had which both had the transmissions completely fall apart within a year after warrantee expiration. (No I don't want any Dodge vs Ford answers; more just want to know if the warrantee for a Ford will likely be used before 125,000 miles.
We have always purchased the 100,000 mile/5 year extended warranty before signing the paperwork to close the deal. (some warranty's will go longer time wise now) We ave found we have been able to get remaining $$ value toward new warranty last couple times, when we traded in which, I was surprised to find out. The Ford dealership used same extended warranty company that the Chevy dealer was using, so it worked out for us when we traded our 11' Tahoe for the Ford. That was a first for us with a trade in, but worth checking out with who ever you purchase from. Also, typically, if you sell outside, you can transfer the warranty to new owner, so that is a bonus for them and a sales point for you.

We have 66K miles on our 12' F-150 EB...so far no issues (other than rock cracks to the windshield...seems it is a magnet for the rocks on the road when traveling in MT!)...Warranty is "insurance" at this point...but I also know, negotiating the cost of that warranty in the beginning can save you some money versus getting it later.
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