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04-25-2014, 12:10 PM
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2017 26' Flying Cloud
Alamo Heights
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Join Date: Aug 2006
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Originally Posted by jordandvm
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What do they do on Heavy Duty Payload Package vehicles to increase GVWR to 8200#? Add more springs? Wouldn’t this make the ride rougher?
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I don't know if they change the springs, but they DO use a different rear axle and front hubs. HD Payload comes with 7-lug hubs, 17" 7-lug wheels and load-range E tires. The differential with the 7-lug hubs is a 3.73:1 ratio limited-slip unit, not the e-locker 3.73 on the Max Tow trucks without HD Payload.
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04-25-2014, 01:04 PM
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Rivet Master
2017 28' International
Western
, Oregon
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 802
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HD payload pkg
Thanks DKB,
I did look up the specs for HD payload pkg. In addition to your listing it does say they put on HD shock absorbers, upgraded springs, radiator, and auxiliary transmission cooler, 9.75 gear set?, LT245 - 75R17E BSW all terrain tires. I'm sure the ride would be stiffer and not as comfortable.
I wonder if I can at least get upgraded tires from P to E rated and if this will make at least some difference in payload rating? I'll call my dealer to see if this can be done.
Thanks again for your input.
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2017 28' Signature CCD
2017 GMC Denali HD Crew Cab 4x4
Blue Ox Sway Pro Hitch
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04-25-2014, 03:20 PM
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#543
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2 Rivet Member
Briarcliff
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Join Date: Feb 2013
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Pushed around......
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Originally Posted by SRW
When towing, with my 2013 F150 twin turbo, we get pushed around when ever a tractor trailer rig passes us. We also can feel it whenever a large sedan passes us going the same direction.
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Though I love my EcoBoost SuperCrew - it is the "twitchiest" handling pickup I have ever had. Trailer attached or not................
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04-25-2014, 11:29 PM
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TinCan
2016 30' Classic
Apache Junction
, Arizona
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 880
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jordandvm.......I have the same problem (lack of payload capacity) I am 400lbs. over on my drive axle. Talked to several Ford Parts Dept. people and they said I should not worry about it. Not really that much over weight. Seriously looking at the 2015's as they should be about 700lbs. lighter plus will double check the payload capacity before I buy. I figure my tongue weight being around 1000lbs. (Flying Cloud 25). BTW my tires are rated for 4000lbs so no problem there.
Labigdogs.....I had a pleasant conversation with the owner of a Ford dealer and he did not recommend the diesel because of high maintenance cost, higher fuel bills and higher initial cost to buy.
My EchoBeast is the best vehicle I have ever owned.
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04-26-2014, 04:11 AM
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#545
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Whtesocks
2014 31' Classic
Crane
, Missouri
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 24
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F150 EB performance
I love my F150 EB SuperCab with a 5.5 ft. bed and would like to share my experience pulling my 30' Classic. We now have 6000 miles pulling our unit and the F150 EB is a great product and I believe Ford got it right this time.
Here are the key things that make the match right!
1. Heavy duty tow package, which has a 17,340 GVWR vehicle. My combination weighs in at 15,530 Lbs.
2. Good equalizer hitch!
3. Firestone air bags to damper the up and down oscillation of bumpy roads.
4. For best fuel performance keep it in the 60 to 70 mph tow speed. I avg. 21+ not in tow and 10 to 13 in tow.
The engine has the power for grades and tipically we are passing the diesel rigs in the mountains on the steep grades.
Happy travels!
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04-26-2014, 12:44 PM
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Master of Universe
2008 25' Safari FB SE
Grand Junction
, Colorado
Join Date: Sep 2007
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A few things—I did not compare the EB and the Tundra directly as to size of cab or bed, but was only pointing out that $50 K and more is a lot of money for a pickup and "platinum", 'limited" or "superduperdiamond" trim lines seem crazy to me. The Tundra was few thousand less than the EB, but I'm not sure if they compared well, though they seemed close—both "platinum", large cab (but they're are usually 2 versions), medium size bed, tow package. I don't think you get a lot more for those top trim lines, but you pay a premium for it. I guess they figure anyone who wants to have everything possible is willing to pay a lot for it. Maybe they are the only ones with leather, but a lot of the seat cover is vinyl and not leather now, but you pay as if it were all leather. These trucks are almost double what we paid in '07 for a reasonable well equipped truck. But cars and truck are selling well now and they are going to be difficult about price.
I am glad to see the EB is working out so far. I'm not a Ford fan, but any truck that gets better gas mileage sounds good to me. I believe they have lowered the highway mileage rating for the EB to reflect reality, but it still is a lot better than normally aspirated V8's. I am still concerned how this engine will hold up after 100,000 miles, but it will take some more years to find out. There are surely some people with well over 100,000 miles of them by now, but it is probably too small a sample to rely on.
Our '07 Tundra has done very well and is now at 92,000 miles. It handles, rides and performs like new. I'd like a new truck, but I'd like a lot of things that don't make much sense. I'm hoping gas mileage keeps improving (though Toyota doesn't seem to care about the Tundra's poor mileage). By the time we're ready to buy a new truck, I'm sure we'll avoid the superduperdiamond models and get something more reasonable. If Toyota has not dealt with the poor mileage issue, then we'll look elsewhere. Reliability is a big issue for us—why pay so much for a truck with problems?—and Toyota still pretty much leads in truck reliability. From what I've seen in the last few posts, the Tundra has a higher payload than some EB's, also an important issue. I think any time you go below 1,500 lbs. payload, you are looking for trouble. The more weight, the more wear, and when you exceed payload, at some point you are going to have a lot more wear to the suspension, differential, transmission and engine. If you only keep the truck 50,000 miles, probably someone else will suffer the cost of the extra wear (then it becomes a moral question).
It seems like the EB's have been pretty reliable according to those reporting here. Consumer Reports disagrees, but I think CR said the electronic stuff was not well received by owners and was hurting Ford's reliability rating. This has happened with a number of companies—electronics most people don't understand, are hard to use (except for a 9 year old) and break a lot. The more expensive the trim line, the more electro-gadgets.
Gene
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The Airstream is sold; a 2016 Nash 24M replaced it.
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04-26-2014, 01:31 PM
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#547
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Rivet Master
2006 25' Safari
St. Augustine
, Florida
Join Date: Oct 2011
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Right after they hit mainstream the ecoboosts started having issues with sucking in rainwater in storms which bogged the turbo down, etc. They have corrected that. It was an issue reported several times on the ecoboost forum. That could be a reported reliability concern that impacted the rating as well. I am a Ford fan (at least in American makes). Gene, I recently took a look and drive of the Tundra. I like the interior but I believe the payload topped out at 1700 or so in the 4dr model package. I am STILL waiting to see that aluminum F150 this fall!
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04-26-2014, 11:56 PM
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#548
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TinCan
2016 30' Classic
Apache Junction
, Arizona
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 880
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Microsoft was handling some of the electronics. Ford has dumped them and went with a company that has been doing auto electronics for a long time so those issues will be ironed out quickly.
Fords can be confusing to build as they offer so many options. Important to connect with a salesperson who know their trucks and specify your needs. If you cover payload then just about everything else comes with the package.
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04-27-2014, 06:20 AM
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Rivet Master
2014 31' Classic
2015 23' International
2013 25' FB International
Apache Junction
, Arizona
Join Date: Sep 2012
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When I picked up our 2013 25FB International Serenity in October of 2012, the factory literature tongue weight was 833 pounds. We had the few standard options that dealers install plus street side and rear ZipDee awnings and a 155 watt solar panel and controller. After attaching the Hensley hitch, the tongue weight was 1,150 pounds. At 6,990 pounds camping ready with full fresh water tank and five gallons of slosh water and tank chemical in each of the the gray and black tanks, the tongue weight was 1,175 pounds.
That is when the real numbers made my 2007 Mercedes ML 320 CDI diesel (had been to CanAm for hitch reinforcement) ineligible to continue as our tow vehicle as the front axle was overloaded and the GVW of the car was exceeded let alone the suggested gross weight of the trailer. The car did not have any generators, grill and tank or any other camping gear in it at that time.
Thus our migration to the 2012 Dodge 2500HD with Cummins diesel to get the necessary tongue weight capacity (now 2,550 pounds), cargo capacity and total trailer plus tow vehicle capacity in line with out Classic model 30.
Now we can use the Post Office motto,l "If it fits in, it ships or gets towed."
Get the real numbers off a truck or other desired tow vehicle on a dealership lot to be sure the tow vehicle has the capacity necessary for the job. A previous post mentioned the dealership casually said 400 pounds overload is no big deal. Have them put that in writing so if a warranty issue does occur, you would have proof that overloading was okay.
You will not get that letter and your vehicle record may now have a comment in it that the vehicle is routinely towing overloaded which could preclude warranty repairs on the driveline.
Many companies go to extreme lengths today to deny warranty claims.
Just saying......
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04-27-2014, 08:05 AM
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Drag&Fly
1988 29' Excella
Collierville
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Join Date: Nov 2013
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New to the Forum and my 2012 Ford EB
In May of 2012 I traded in my 2004 Expedition because of a perceived need for a PU. That expectation has proven valid in the past two years. At the time of purchase I did not envision buying an Airstream but if I had i would have made a couple of revisions in my order on the Ford. First, I wanted better gas mileage and I have got that with a consistent 21-22 mpg hwy and as hi as 25+ with tailwinds. I keep detailed records of mileage and gas purchases. When the opportunity to purchase an Airstream presented itself, I did knowing that I had the power to tow and my mileage would decline. Last week I towed my (new to me)1988 Excella empty (maybe 5000#) home, roughly 600 miles. The RV came with an EAZ Lift Anti Sway unit and it worked exceptionally well. When I initially stepped on the gas of my TV I was amazed that with less than 1000 rpm indicated we were moving! That right there was evidence of the exceptional torque in the EB engine. Soon I was on the highway at 65 headed home. My mileage for that trip was 11.6 mpg cruising at 62-65 praying for tailwinds; that's the aviator in my I guess.
My F150 is the Super Crew model with 157" WB, 6.5 ft box, 3.15 rear end and the standard tow package. If I were to do it again,knowing an Airstream was in my future, I would have opted for the heavy duty tow package and a 3.55 rear. My current Ford is rated at 8400# maximum loaded trailer weight and the Excella is listed GVWR of 6800#. I should be good.
To date I have put over 37000 miles on my F150 with zero service issues except required oil changes. I only use AMSOIL 100% synthetic. At a later date I may consider upgrading the exhaust system and chip but right now it does the job very well.
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04-27-2014, 09:54 AM
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Rivet Master
Commercial Member
2019 27' Tommy Bahama
London
, Ontario
Join Date: Aug 2007
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Re:
Pushed around......
Quote:
Originally Posted by SRW
When towing, with my 2013 F150 twin turbo, we get pushed around when ever a tractor trailer rig passes us. We also can feel it whenever a large sedan passes us going the same direction.
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Though I love my EcoBoost SuperCrew - it is the "twitchiest" handling pickup I have ever had. Trailer attached or not................
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I noticed this post and I thought I would mention that if you are getting pushed around that easily then your weight distribution system is not likely set up very well. Can you post a picture of your hitch set up?
Twitchyness; F150's come with some very soft sidewall tires and the handling can be quite dramatically improved with a better size and construction. What size do you have on your twitchy one?
Andrew T
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04-27-2014, 01:09 PM
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Master of Universe
2008 25' Safari FB SE
Grand Junction
, Colorado
Join Date: Sep 2007
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rodsterinfl
Gene, I recently took a look and drive of the Tundra. I like the interior but I believe the payload topped out at 1700 or so in the 4dr model package.
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Sounds about right. There are several 4 door versions and trim lines. Payload for ours in somewhere between 1,500 and 1,600 lbs. (can't remember the exact number). Toyota shows no interest in producing a 3/4 ton or a diesel, so I doubt we'll see better payloads. We probably use all of it.
Switz, tongue weight is a problem if you rely on what Airstream says. I have seen different weights for the same model, same year, in company literature. Our '08 Safari 25' FB is probably pretty much the same trailer as yours except for the trim line. The literature for ours was 720 lbs. tongue weight and later I saw a higher number for the same trailer. In later years the company had a 3rd weight listed for the 25' FB Flying Cloud, the same trailer as ours. It appears the company does not include propane in the tanks or the spare tire in calculating tongue weight, or perhaps didn't in '07 when the '08's came out.
Gene
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The Airstream is sold; a 2016 Nash 24M replaced it.
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04-27-2014, 01:19 PM
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Rivet Master
Vintage Kin Owner
N/A
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Join Date: Sep 2012
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Gene,
I believe Toyota plans to equip Tundra with 5.0 liter V8 Cummins engine. I am not sure when exactly it will be produced though.
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04-27-2014, 01:27 PM
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#554
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Moderator
2017 26' Flying Cloud
Alamo Heights
, Texas
Join Date: Aug 2006
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rostam
Gene,
I believe Toyota plans to equip Tundra with 5.0 liter V8 Cummins engine. I am not sure when exactly it will be produced though.
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I think you may be confusing Titan and Tundra. The Titan is the one for which I've read several articles about the V8 Cummins.
EDIT: and then I search for that specifically and see that Toyota recently made a similar announcement. I hadn't heard that one at all, but I've been hearing about Nissan using that engine for months now.
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04-27-2014, 01:42 PM
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Master of Universe
2008 25' Safari FB SE
Grand Junction
, Colorado
Join Date: Sep 2007
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DKB_SATX
I think you may be confusing Titan and Tundra. The Titan is the one for which I've read several articles about the V8 Cummins.
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I think that's right. Toyota has diesel engines for their HiLux trucks, so it would unlikely they would have to buy from Cummins. Toyota thought they would sell twice as many Tundras as they have. Maybe they don't want to invest more in the full sized truck market. They update them modestly, but that's it. They have upgraded the Tacoma significantly—it is really pretty much the first generation Tundra—and I think they sell a lot of those compared to the Tundra. I'm disappointed about the way the Tundra has been developed over the years, and even if you are a Ford or GM or Dodge guy, competition from Toyota has made all brands better.
Gene
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The Airstream is sold; a 2016 Nash 24M replaced it.
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04-27-2014, 06:04 PM
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Rivet Master
Vintage Kin Owner
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I read that Toyota would be using the exact same engine Cummins is selling to Nissan for Titan. A Tundra with Cummins engine and possibly a bit more payload would be an awesome truck.
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04-28-2014, 07:12 AM
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3 Rivet Member
2015 27' FB International
2011 25' FB International
Lafayette
, Louisiana
Join Date: Sep 2011
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You guys need to start a Toyota/Tundra and V8 Cummins thread add the words 3/4 ton and diesel.....
this is Ford F150 3.5L Eco Boost ---- Thread ..... 1/2 Ton..... Ford..... F-150..... 3.5L Eco Boost..... Gas Burner.... Just saying... because like you I get e-mails to read about a Forum I care about... I don't care about the others.... Today they are all Awesome Trucks .... I just want to read about what I subscribed to here, don't mean to be selfish, just think this is how it was indented to work.
Thanks guys - Mark
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05-01-2014, 07:13 PM
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Master of Universe
2008 25' Safari FB SE
Grand Junction
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Join Date: Sep 2007
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Mark,
Threads wander, especially when everything that has been said has been said. For more on hijacking, see the definitive thread: http://www.airforums.com/forums/f472...ing-24723.html
Gene
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The Airstream is sold; a 2016 Nash 24M replaced it.
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05-01-2014, 08:53 PM
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Site Team
1974 31' Sovereign
Ottawa
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Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 11,219
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gene
Threads wander, especially when everything that has been said has been said.
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And yet he does have a point, Gene. At the top of this thread is does say "Ford F150 3.5L Eco Boost" and not Toyota Tundra or whatever.
How about we try to get back on topic for a while..?
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05-04-2014, 11:28 PM
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1 Rivet Member
Nashville
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Join Date: Jul 2013
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I promise, this post isn't out of laziness....it's out of confusion.
I'm about to buy a '12 27FB Int'l. I'm a bachelor, and will be traveling w/my Border Collie mix, who weighs 49lbs. Other than him, I'm on my own, and an occasional visiting girlfriend.
I THINK I want to buy a Ford F-150 ecoboost, 4x4, 3.73, Max Tow Pkg, Max Payload. I thought I wanted a Platinum, short bed, but if I read this thread correctly, I can't get it outfitted like that.
This Ford stuff is confusing, and infuriating. Can someone please tell me the best way to get this truck outfitted, and have it include creature comforts as well. Also, is 3.73 the way to get it set up as a good TV??
Thanks.
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