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Old 11-04-2011, 11:05 AM   #57
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I'm also a member of CR, and I'd like to know where you saw that quote. I went to the F-150 test, and the '11 ratings (the only ones listed so far, of course) are all top-flight. The comparative comment on engine performance is still:
"Both engines are strong and get decent fuel economy. The optional 365-hp, 3.5-liter EcoBoost twin-turbocharged V6 engine provides more torque than the 360-hp V8, which gives it a more effortless feel in the midrange, especially when hauling a load."

Could not find anything negative about the EcoBoost. Please provide a link..? Thanks.
From their review of the Flex:
"Reliability has of the Ecoboost dropped to below average, while the regular V6 version is average." Typo was theirs.

They also said in a general review of vehicles that "Heavy -duty 3/4 ton pickups are among the most problematic vehicles. With the exception of the turbodiesel Ford F-250, they all scored below average"

It's not gospel, but worth noting. I have a vehicle they didn't rate very well and love it.....
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Old 11-04-2011, 11:10 AM   #58
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Problem is Consumer reports weights a broken door handle the same as a broke transmission. I consider unreliable what causes you to end up dead in the road.
Not necessarily. In their surveys (from which they draw the data for reliabilty) owners are asked if they had a problem that they consider significant. So if someone thinks the broken door handle is significant, I guess it would effect ratings.
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Hmm, on that same page CR rates every category of the 2010 and 2011 Flex "Better than Average" and the items that are in the just-average range on the '09 are Transmission (minor), Drive System, Fuel System, Electrical System. Since the Flex has a transmission and drive system that are more complex (transverse-engine AWD) and completely distinct from the truck, those don't worry me yet.
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Old 11-04-2011, 11:54 AM   #60
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Quality Magazine that essentially contradicts Road Ruler:
Please don't shoot the messenger....

PS... I am a fan of the EB and the Ford Flex and fwiw my BH thinks a Flex with the non turbo V6 would be great for us as a TV. I tend to agree but will be watching all details about quality and reliability issues. We only buy top rated vehicles.
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@Road Ruler: Does the CR paper article have anything specific to say about the reported issues with the EcoBoost Flex? (I subscribe to their web service to get ratings and such, but they apparently keep most of their print articles off the website to soak web customers for a bit more $. There's basically zero specific info on this vague report, and the article I linked earlier states that it's NOT engine-related.)
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Anything with a sideways mounted engine is going to be more maintenance intensive to work on and more stuff to go bad. If your like most folks and you get a new TV every two years then it don't matter. I love the fact that my ranger and Excursion have no CV joints accept for the main drive shaft. Of all my vehicles, I spend more time replaceing CV joint boots on front wheel drive cars than anything else. The wife has a Subaru and it has 8 boots to go bad.

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New TV every 2 years????
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OK, So maybe some of you will look at this as "sleeping with the enemy", but even though we're talking Ford........CR has long been an incredibly inaccurate, unreliable source whose ratings are 100% based on opinion and emotion, (RESPECTIVE of demographics, which make a big difference in expectations, and has little to do with unbiased data driven performance). What do I mean? I can remember MANY instances of vehicle ratings where 2 brand's models run down the same line, built by the same machines and hands, and one brand comes out poor and one comes out above average!!!!!!! Folks, this can't happen!

Better sources of discussion and consideration are JD Powers (balance initial quality ratings with 5 year dependability studies) and Vincentric total cost of ownership. At least they are predominently data driven.
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According to CR's website, first year reliability for the F-150 Ecoboost was "average."

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@Road Ruler: Does the CR paper article have anything specific to say about the reported issues with the EcoBoost Flex?
There is no additional info on the Flex or EB V6 in the hard copy of CR.

It did however report that the F150 with the EB engine was on the recommended list as there was now sufficient data for them to do this.
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I eventually found the info I was looking at online... you just have to approach it differently. It's not in the general section about the big 2012 report, it can be found in the section about the Flex, and it allowed me to drill down to just the EcoBoost model and show that in fact the problems were close to the categories I described above: Transmission (Minor), Drive System, Brakes and Squeaks and Rattles. So, none of that pertains to the engine itself nor would it apply to the F150.

I suspect that this page is only visible to subscribers, but the link is here.
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There is no additional info on the Flex or EB V6 in the hard copy of CR.

It did however report that the F150 with the EB engine was on the recommended list as there was now sufficient data for them to do this.
Data???? Really????? You mean OPINION! CR is NOT good data!
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Data???? Really????? You mean OPINION! CR is NOT good data!
Data, opinions, info, feedback, whatever...... In my 35 years of subscribing to CR I found their feedback from tens of 1,000's of vehicle owners very accurate. Yours or others opinions may of course differ.
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Data, opinions, info, feedback, whatever...... In my 35 years of subscribing to CR I found their feedback from tens of 1,000's of vehicle owners very accurate. Yours or others opinions may of course differ.
If you believe in popularity contests, and the human nature effect of "I gotta defend what I just spent more than I have" feedback, have at it. I'm just sayin' it isn't dollars and CENTS, factual feedback. We all do it, but it ain't real!
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