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Old 05-20-2013, 02:28 PM   #393
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Brakes should last 70-80k miles. I didn't replace mine until 120k (and didn't need to). If one does not live in, say, West Virginia or the Rockies it may also be time to consider that a pickup is not driven like a car, solo or towing. The propensity towards rollover isn't just pronounced, it's flat dangerous . . so much so that speeds above 65-mph under best conditions isn't smart. Civilian or professional.

Are FORD brakes really that bad? In 1955 or 1965 they were. Today, it's harder to believe.

And, aftermarket isn't always better (though in the 1990's I would have agreed). The best brakes -- we're talking about towing, not solo use -- on my DODGE are the OEM assembly-line parts (not the dealer sourced "value line"). The stresses introduced by descending a downgrade on rotors and friction materials is, in some ways, the ultimate test. The aftermarket isn't marketing (and maybe not designing) on this aspect despite words to the contrary. Examples and proofs are not easy to come by (even if they can be found).

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Wink 70-80k OEM's....

...yeah and AS's shouldn't leak.

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On long downgrades, use engine and transmission for braking, whether towing or not. This will reduce wear and overheated brakes.

Prius's use regenerative braking (electric motor) for normal stops and the ICE (Internal Combustion Engine) on downgrades, and many go to the junkyard with the original pads and rotors. Our 2002 Prius has 130,000 miles on the odometer, and the brake pads look almost new.

Our 2008 Tundra is used primarily to tow our 19-foot Bambi; and at 55,000 miles, the brake pads still have a lot of miles left on them. I expect to replace brake pad and turn rotors at 120-150,000 miles.
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Hi, maybe where you live, but where I live there are stop signs and traffic signals ever 50 feet or so. Getting 20 to 25 thousand miles on a set of brakes is pretty normal. This situation also brings down fuel mileage too.
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Hi, maybe where you live, but where I live there are stop signs and traffic signals ever 50 feet or so. Getting 20 to 25 thousand miles on a set of brakes is pretty normal. This situation also brings down fuel mileage too.
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Hi, maybe where you live, but where I live there are stop signs and traffic signals ever 50 feet or so. Getting 20 to 25 thousand miles on a set of brakes is pretty normal. This situation also brings down fuel mileage too.
It comes to a question of skill. My father averaged 90k and I was never able to match him. This was in Dallas over a fifty-year period. No lack of stop'n go. OTOH, my mother tended to late-brake AND ride the brakes and came up with the low mileage you note. The vehicle type (and weight) didn't matter.

The heavier the vehicle the more "momentum" has to be accounted. Both harder to accelerate to a given speed (one quits accelerating below the target speed which itself is below the posted limit, and then drifts slightly upwards), and using the least throttle opening (almost coasting) the long distances to a full stop . . better if one learns on ones usual routes to anticipate light changes and make them work.

It is skill acquisition, same as for lowest fuel burn for the work given.

Most of us learn to drive as teenagers . . so kick those emotional reactions to the curb and let rationality drive comfortable changes to establish new habits.

In other words, it is a [set of] choice[s].

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It comes to a question of skill. It is skill acquisition, same as for lowest fuel burn for the work given.
Hi, then I guess by your statements that you and your family are the only ones in this country who know how to drive. The rest of us just should coast to a stop to save our $50.00 brake pads. [retired now] I have been working at new car dealers since 1968 and 20 to 25 thousand miles per brake job is a pretty much normal thing around here. Unlike you, I could care less if I have to replace my brake pads every couple of years and I also don't care to drive at 47.153624 miles per hour to save a few drops of gas/fuel. I'm not a big rig driver, but I can out drive most people on and off the track in cars, trucks, motorcycles, and while towing my Airstream. I have driven in conditions where most people would just park of stay home.
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Brakes are highly over-rated. They are a negative acceleration factor and should be used only in a dire emergency. They scrub off speed!
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I now drive a 2003 Expedition. I get 15 mpg unloaded average. Towing closer to 10 mpg, but its all leather, has 1,600 lbs payload and independent rear suspension. I think the eco boost F-150 is a wonderful improvement, but its fat so payload suffers on the nicer models. I'm waiting on the 2015 for its claimed 700 lb diet. Hopefully most of that gain is plowed back into payload. That would make the truck closer to perfect.
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We absolutely are very happy with our F150 Eco Boost coupled with the Pro Pride hitch. Just returned from 750 mile trip, averaged 11.4 mpg and that includes 150 miles into a very brutal quartering cross wind. It has been across the scales several times, and we have never been overloaded and the trailer pulls effortlessly. Amazing amount of power with this engine, great brakes and the computer assisted down shifting on heavy braking in an absolute plus. We would buy the same truck, it just does everything so well.
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I note that most all tend to drive pickups the same as they drive cars despite important differences in outcomes. The examples given above of how to use a truck in traffic work well. As to saving fuel, yes, I have demonstrated to myself (records) of how I can save enough fuel to completely underwrite 5,000-miles of vacation travel within the same annual fuel budget all while accomplishing the same ends. But what you do or what I do is beside the point: brake life has reasonable minimums, and 30k miles of service is below par for any vehicle in any use (given some terrain constraints).

Someone who strives to maintain separation distance (safety) finds that other decisions about to drive follow along. If A, then B, etc. Safety, vehicle longevity (component life), and fuel economy all follow the same decision tree. Brake life, tire life and fuel economy will follow the same consumption curve.

And eveyone considers themselves "good drivers" even though the evidence is otherwise. But some others can prove it whether on the track or on the street.

Tires and brakes have complementary effects. In time we might learn from owners of the EB-powered trucks what works best -- and why -- for that particular model.

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I could care less if I have to replace my brake pads every couple of years and I also don't care to drive at 47.153624 miles per hour to save a few drops of gas/fuel.


I also try not to get too wrapped up in the numbers.

Our companies work trucks only get about 25k miles out of the brakes, the guys are pretty tough on the stop/go.
I once had a 1995 Honda Civic where the oem front brakes went to 105k. Over the winter I changed the front and rear pads on dad's 2003 Grand Cherokee which went till 95k miles. I'm certain that it is a combination of terrain, driver awareness and quality of the equipment.
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