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Old 09-22-2012, 10:25 AM   #295
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Many threads over the years have pointed out that payload is the issue for 1/2 trucks

The "elbow room" is the tire/wheel rating and RR axle rating. A 1/2T is about like the full-size cars of years ago, but with a bit less overhang (but higher COG). 4-whl disc, antilock and other electronic stability programming -- along with 6-speed autos -- make them pretty good TVs in comparison to what they were 20 or 30 years ago.

Being reasonable about payload is the key where a 1/2T pickup has genuine use as a truck when not towing the A/S. Otherwise a better TV from the perspective of handling/braking plus solo use might better suit all-around duty.

The EB motor is not a miracle worker. An average mpg of [preferably] above 20-mpg is the place to start, IMO, when looking at an all around vehicle. An EB motored vehicle (not just a pickup) might be capable of 20+ mpg averages (when looking at all uses over all miles in re all gallons).


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Old 09-23-2012, 07:03 AM   #296
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I have 2012 F150 163 wb 4x4 Heavy Duty Payload Package.....This payload package provides stiffer frame 9.75 rear ring gear vs 8.25 3.73 locking diff. 7 lug wheels factory 10 ply tires....only HD payload package will provide these items I have a 2013 25 AS I don't have any kind of eq hitch only sway control this truck does not sag at all.
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Now that sounds like a good setup. Way to go on your purchase. Jim
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Old 09-24-2012, 10:29 AM   #299
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I'm getting a f150 4x2 supercab with 8foot box. Ecoboost engine, max tow package and hd load package. 11,300 tow capacity and 2640lb cargo capacity. It will tow my 31 footer just fine. Had a e150 rated for 7000lb trailer maximum and it towed my 31 footer just fine except really steep grades. My trailer is rated max 8300 lb loaded. So it went up a bit slow. If not mistaken the only axle offered is the 3.73 with the ecoboost.

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Note that the cargo capacity will drop with added features. (I just went through this on my F150). A 2640 lb payload is the base truck with no options.

The Max Tow package looks to add significant weight to the truck.

My 2012 Ecoboost, SuperCrew, Max Tow, HD Payload, Lariat has a payload capacity of 2150 lbs as printed on the yellow sticker.
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Any more info on the shutter, or was it just from not using premium fuel. Seems to be forgotten here on this thread. Jim
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Old 09-24-2012, 10:58 AM   #301
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Any more info on the shutter, or was it just from not using premium fuel. Seems to be forgotten here on this thread. Jim
Not sure if it is currently an issue with new ecoboost trucks, mine is about 3 months old and I have never experienced any shutter or engine problems. Might have been a programing issue that was fixed on newer units. I do not use premium fuel.
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Old 09-24-2012, 11:10 AM   #302
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The dealer reflashed the the PCM on my 2011 EB which put the truck in a learning mode and reset the shift points, etc. Have not experienced any shudder since, but have not towed again yet either. As I previously said, this was a one time occurrence in 20K miles and it stopped once I pulled over and let it idle for 30 sec. It did not throw any codes. Could have been crappy gas, as I try to use non-ethanol fuel at home. Regardless, I am still happy with the truck, it's towing capabilities and non-towing comfort. Will just have to see what happens down the road...
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Looks like Ford is on top of it. They will get it straightened out. At least it will not leave you stranded, just go to limp home mode. Jim
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The wife recently took the truck back into the dealer for the rough shifting and the shuttering problem we are having with our Ecoboost. They likewise reflashed our PCM but they also ordered a "deflector" for the cooling system which they will install once the part comes in. Not real sure what this will entail.
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possibly something to route more air to the radiator? Jim
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Have them check the differential it is know to had issues where it's loosened up and it feels like shifting "bumps", and a trailer running into you when stoping. (with nothing in toe) My 2011 Eco-Boast is just starting this at 30K miles.... I have a 2011 F-150 3.7 v-6 also for running around (extra truck, non toe)... Ford had to change or replace some "hangers" for the differential and this took care of the problem... this occurred at 10K miles.... my EcoBoost went to 30K before this started.. This has nothing to do with the engine.....
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I have a 2012 F150 with Eco-boost and pull a 27" FB Classic with it. (I traded in a 2010 F250 with 6.4 liter Turbo Diesel) I've towed my AS for 7300 miles with the F150 Eco-boost including a 5000 mi trip to the east coast and two trips in the mountains of Colorado. Compared with the F250 Turbo Diesel I am very happy with the capacity and the milage.
When pulling the same trailer I'm averaging about 10 MPG with the F150 vs about 11 MPG with the F250 Diesel. As diesel fuel is more than 10 % more expensive I am saving money just on the fuel costs. When you add in the saving in differential engine cost including service and initial outlay, the saving is substantial. When not in tow I average about 15 city and 19 highway but if I keep my foot out of it, I've seen highway stretches of 21 MPG. ( I never average more than 16-18 highway with the diesel)
As to pulling hills, Wolf creek pass is one of the highest and steepest passes in Colorado as well as North America. I pulled my AS over it in September and was able to easy maintain 45 MPH which is about the same as the F250 diesel over the same pass pulling the same AS. I give this combo a strong recommendation
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I have a 2012 F150 with Eco-boost and pull a 27" FB Classic with it. (I traded in a 2010 F250 with 6.4 liter Turbo Diesel) I've towed my AS for 7300 miles with the F150 Eco-boost including a 5000 mi trip to the east coast and two trips in the mountains of Colorado. Compared with the F250 Turbo Diesel I am very happy with the capacity and the milage.
When pulling the same trailer I'm averaging about 10 MPG with the F150 vs about 11 MPG with the F250 Diesel. As diesel fuel is more than 10 % more expensive I am saving money just on the fuel costs. When you add in the saving in differential engine cost including service and initial outlay, the saving is substantial. When not in tow I average about 15 city and 19 highway but if I keep my foot out of it, I've seen highway stretches of 21 MPG. ( I never average more than 16-18 highway with the diesel)
As to pulling hills, Wolf creek pass is one of the highest and steepest passes in Colorado as well as North America. I pulled my AS over it in September and was able to easy maintain 45 MPH which is about the same as the F250 diesel over the same pass pulling the same AS. I give this combo a strong recommendation
True, the 6.0 and 6.4 engines were NOT known for efficiency.

It will be interesting to see how Ford's latest experiment with this EB engine works out. Let's hope the issues voiced here are an anomoly...but these complaints about running in wet conditions are popping up around the WWW.
Turbocharging can be a great way to increase hp (at all elevations) without the round the clock fuel penalty of displacement...however these are still 1/2 ton truck with their inherent capacity constraints.

None the less...an interesting experiment for early adopters.
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