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KJRitchie · 02-09-2013, 08:23 PM

Test drove the XLT Crewcab 145"WB EB today with 3.55, 7100. The label on the door read it had capacity for 1650lbs. Not sure if this is includes, excludes a tank of gas or if like Toyota a 150lbs for the driver.

In the center of the console was the mileage computer read out. I was able to increase the average mpg from 16.0 to 16.5 doing a 50/50 mix of city and freeway driving.

It's funny how American auto are so optioned that sometimes they chosen option don't make sense. The truck has Sync and can compute miles and estimated mileage to empty but the AC/Heating system controls were as basic and found in the cheapest car. Also the back seats in this XLT crew cab looked like they were an after though design. I'm not sure someone would be very comfortable on a long trip since you can't adjust the seats.

I was looking at preowned Tundras and will need to drive a Tundra 5.7L Crewcab to compare with the Ford Supercab.

Kelvin

Jim Clark · 02-09-2013, 09:38 PM

You can have the controller installed in the Ford if it is not installed, idid.

Jim

LFM · 02-09-2013, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Clark

Feel the same about mine.

add me.
Just traveled 4,538 miles (7303 km) and it was the best. Not towing, but went to the East coast from Montana and back, and it was great. Also last month was to the West coast, another 3,000 miles. Not one single problem. As I have said before, the only negatives I have seen on this vehicle are from non-owners.

Road Geezer · 02-09-2013, 11:37 PM

Terry, I've been following threads about Ford's eco boost 150 off and on since it was introduced. If you search "eco boost" in the Air Forums, you'll find a ton of threads that contain a lot of useful info, much of it from owners of the eco boost engine. I'd suggest you check them out carefully, as I seem to recall that a while after Ford brought out the powerplant , some owners were having serious problems.

The problems may be history now, I don't know, but it's worth looking into.

pappy19 · 02-13-2013, 06:52 AM

This explination from a mechanic on the Ford Truck Forum for those having problems with their Ecoboost makes a lot of sense:

"When water (high humidity-condensation)gets into a cylinder the plug/ignition/spark fails. {Water does not burn}.
The injection of fuel into the cylinder is still being done and is pumped out the exhaust.
Raw fuel in the cats overheats the first cat and can melts the substrate.
This can restrict exhaust gas flow, cause poor mileage and burn the OX sensors. The temps can get well over 1000 degrees.
Result is poor fuel mileage from the restriction and damaged OX sensor.
When a cat is damaged that bad, putting a Scanner on to look at the OX sensor switching should reveal the condition.
Also a cat code should be present if the cat no linger meet min. oxygen storage limits.
For the driving issue, a Scanner set to Trap the fault will freeze the data and give an indication of what happened.
If water is being pumped into the motor killing ignition on one or more cylinders, then clears out, the code/s for that/those cylinders could be cancelled because it's not logiced a hard fault since the condition is no longer present.
Good luck."

iowaroots · 02-16-2013, 12:01 PM

Is anyone out there driving an Ecoboost and pulling a Classic 28? I am looking at buying a used one and hesitant due to the weight, however, the EB is rated to handle it. My 2013 Ecoboost has a 3.55 electronic locking axle, 4x4 crew, 145" wheel base. The tow rating is 9600 pounds however the truck came with, as many do, passenger "P" rated tires which is sort of limiting as it relates to the payload. The truck is rated at 7200 GVRW but the tire sticker in the door jamb says do not exceed 1256 lbs which includes people, cargo and tongue weight. The AS Classic 28 empty weight is 6,785 with a GVRW of 8600; tongue weight is 730. My guess is the I would travel with a load of about 7,600 lbs plus tow vehicle. The F150 GCWR is 15,500. The F150 weighs approximately 5900 filled with fuel, no cargo or passengers.

Bottom line, is anyone out there pulling a heavier load such as this with an Ecoboost and how is it going?

BigAl · 02-16-2013, 12:43 PM

It will be fine. I have 2011 ecoboost with 3.73 gears and maxtow. I pull 31 foot excella. It performs effortlessly.
The low end torque with this engine is awesome.
And the weight of the truck is plenty to compensate for the weight of the trailer. Lots of people say you need a really heavy tow vehicle to control the trailer.
If so what about a fully loaded semi?
Al

dznf0g · 02-16-2013, 01:14 PM

BigAl, that's more comparable to a fifth wheel, with the addition of (at least) 4 extra traction/drive tires. And I do seem to see a lot of them jack knifed in the median WITH professional drivers behind the wheel.

crisen · 02-16-2013, 02:22 PM

By your numbers you have 1256 usefull load in the truck, subtract 730 tongue weight gives 526 lbs useful for the truck. Less if the tongue weight is more than stated by the book which most people find to be true. The from your 526 lbs subtract the weight of the hitch head which is probably not less than 50 lbs and could be much more. So you have somewhere around 475 lbs for people and gear and you haven't considered the rear axle rating yet to see if you are overloading it.

Power to pull it the trailer, sure in spades, load capacity?

BigAl · 02-16-2013, 02:30 PM

Only point I was trying to make is the ratio of tow vehicle weight relative to towed weight.
Al

ROBERT CROSS · 02-16-2013, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by crisen

By your numbers you have 1256 usefull load in the truck, subtract 730 tongue weight gives 526 lbs useful for the truck. Less if the tongue weight is more than stated by the book which most people find to be true. The from your 526 lbs subtract the weight of the hitch head which is probably not less than 50 lbs and could be much more. So you have somewhere around 475 lbs for people and gear and you haven't considered the rear axle rating yet to see if you are overloading it.

Power to pull it the trailer, sure in spades, load capacity?

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigAl

Only point I was trying to make is the ratio of tow vehicle weight relative to towed weight.
Al

......important sticker not paid enough attention too....

Bob

philecoboost · 02-17-2013, 07:28 AM

Earthcreeper,

I have 2012 F 150 Ecoboost and tow 1996 28FT Classic. It tows just fine with plenty of power. I was able to order this truck exactly the way I wanted it and have the max tow and max payload package. My payload is just over 2K and well within the specs as we trave with 400-500 pounds of payload left after loading trailer and truck with our gear. Never went below 4TH gear in Eastern US mountains and towing 10-13MPG depending on grade. I would however have some concerns about payload capacity with the truck you are describing. The engine capacity would be fine but payload ? I would keep looking and get another Ecoboost properly set to the specs you will be towing.

Phil

philecoboost · 02-17-2013, 07:30 AM

I intended to say my payload capacity is just over 2K, not that I am carrying 2K in this truck.

iowaroots · 02-17-2013, 07:56 AM

Thanks guys for all the feedback, very helpful!

kscherzi · 02-17-2013, 09:41 AM

I'm pretty sure Ford payload calc's are on top of an allowance of 150lbs driver weight and assumes a full tank of gas.

RamblinManGa · 02-17-2013, 10:17 AM

Hi from AZ. . . let's see, what was this thread about ? Oh yea, F150 Ecoboost. I have an '11 Ecoboost FX4,real short bed crewcab with 23k on it. Max tow pkg, 3.73 rear.....It pulls my Safari 25 with out drama & gets 18/19 mpg w/o the trlr. the interior is huge,leather,& very comfortable. Only problem so far was a clunk from the driveline occasionally, which the dealer had a "kit" to fix. Seems fine now. I love the truck

regards, Craig

urnmor · 02-17-2013, 11:27 AM

I recently purchased a new TV. First and foremost do your homework and do not rely on the salesperson. When I was shopping I found that many salespeople were poorly informed regarding a truck's ability when it comes to towing. especially concerning the various capacities.

This forum is a wealth of information as well as various truck forums whether they be ford, chevy or dodge.

I also found out at least in my area it was difficult to find a F150 eco booster with the right tow packet. So if I wanted one I would have had to special order it.

Gas milage is important but when I read the manual for the Eco booster it recommended premium which at that time was as expensive as diesel. It went down for awhile but now the price is right back up there.

Finally it being a relatively new engine I was not sure of the eco booster's longevity. Would it last well over a 100k. No one could give be a definitive answer.

No matter which one you decide to buy I am sure that like most of you will love it.

RamblinManGa · 02-17-2013, 11:37 AM

Hi again from AZ. . . Forgot to mention, I use premium fuel when towing ( hey, it's a twin turbo ) & regular gas when not. That's an old hot rodders idea of things., regards, Craig

Streamer1492 · 02-17-2013, 03:44 PM

Tlcbuilder hear again, yes it has been a while. When I started this thread I had a 2011 supercrew, 4x4 3.73 max tow, laredo pkg. Was pulling a 28' w/slide about 8500 pounds and 1000 tounge weight. After 20+ trips to Ford and a BBB claim regarding the shifting from 1st to 2nd shudder, Ford agreed to replace with a similiar 2012 SuperCab (single drive shaft) all 6.5' SC have a two piece drive shaft and that is where shudder problem occurs. Ford tried everything and couldn't get the pinon angle correct. Currently pulling a 2010 28' International about 7500, 800 tounge and the Ecoboost pulls without a problem. Getting about 11.5 mpg overall, most travel between 2000-9000 feet. I think on the flat which there isn't much of I get about 13.1 mpg, Without trailer about 18. I have about 11,000 miles pulling with the 2012 and no problems. Have noticed one issue at very low speed, high RPM 13-16% uphilll grade temp go up to just about the overheat line and then something kicks in and it cools back to normal range, this has happened twice. Once on I-70 heavy slow one lane traffic at Vail pass and once just before Brian Head Ski hill in July.

TouringDan · 02-17-2013, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Earthcreeper

Is anyone out there driving an Ecoboost and pulling a Classic 28? I am looking at buying a used one and hesitant due to the weight, however, the EB is rated to handle it. My 2013 Ecoboost has a 3.55 electronic locking axle, 4x4 crew, 145" wheel base. The tow rating is 9600 pounds however the truck came with, as many do, passenger "P" rated tires which is sort of limiting as it relates to the payload. The truck is rated at 7200 GVRW but the tire sticker in the door jamb says do not exceed 1256 lbs which includes people, cargo and tongue weight. The AS Classic 28 empty weight is 6,785 with a GVRW of 8600; tongue weight is 730. My guess is the I would travel with a load of about 7,600 lbs plus tow vehicle. The F150 GCWR is 15,500. The F150 weighs approximately 5900 filled with fuel, no cargo or passengers.

Bottom line, is anyone out there pulling a heavier load such as this with an Ecoboost and how is it going?

Earthcreeper

Payload numbers are way too confusing. Does it include fuel? Does it include a 150 lb driver? Better to look at the TV GVWR and the RAWR (rear axle weight rating). Start by weighing your TV at a truck scale after you have it all loaded and fueled up, then you can deal with the tongue weight. Remember that the WD hitch will transfer some of the tongue weight on the rear axle to the TV front axle and some to the the trailer axles.

I suspect you will be able to tow the trailer fine, but you probably will be over loaded. The only way to find out how much is to load up the TV and the trailer and hit the scales.

Good luck, Dan