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Old 08-05-2012, 02:02 PM   #211
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Paiceman,

I was referring to the maximum payload package. This a different option than the maximum towing option. You can get both but on a Platinum trim. I also have a Platinum and have several posts on the problem with GAWR rear. I changed from scorpions to 10 ply load range E Michelins. Also installed Timbren rubber suspension enhancements. Overall, the truck tows very well and stops well, but I have to limit the gear I take due to the lousy payload restriction. Difficult to do with kids.

The max payload option would fix this.
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Old 08-05-2012, 02:24 PM   #212
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We did a lot of research before buying it, thought the 25 was right for us, now are looking at a 30' and from what we are reading and in talking with folks it appears we would be illegal.
Is that according to the recent SAE tow ratings of trucks? You may be able to get suspension parts from the maximum superduper extraspecial package to upgrade the truck you have.

Since most people don't use trucks as trucks, many come with cheap tires. But those OEM tires don't seem enough for the truck unloaded. Wouldn't a full size pickup weigh more than 4,400 lbs.? Cross check on Perelli's website and see what it says there for the same tire. And if you put more air in them, they should have a higher weight rating.

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Old 08-05-2012, 03:22 PM   #213
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You're on the right track finding better tires, stay with your truck. Why waste your hard-earned money on something you already have. As for payload, some of that is redirected to the trailer by the weight distribution hitch.

Although the 30' is capable of carrying 1500# more than the 25', the actual trailer weight difference is much less, closer to 800#.

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Old 08-05-2012, 09:15 PM   #214
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I have 6-7000 miles of towing my 2010 27 FB International using the F150 w/Ecoboost. Routinely climb Hog Pen, and Unicoi Gaps outside of Helen. Also towed across the mountains outside of Cherokee NC and Chattanooga TN. Plenty of power. Gas mileage, 9-9.5 mpg around the mountains. Have averaged as high as 13 mpg between Pensacola and Atlanta.
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Hi Paiceman

I think your reading your sidwalls incorrectly, your tire capacity is likely 1095 Kilograms or 2400 pounds per tire. If you are anywhere near this much on the rear axle then you need to adjust your hitch to move some weight to the front wheels.

Towing a 25 or a 30 is virtually identical I doubt you could tell the difference if you did not know which one you were towing.

If you want 4wd the 250 is actually quite a bit less stable in an emergency maneuver due to the solid front axle and higher Centre of Gravity. We have many customers towing 30's 31's and 34's with F150's they work very well, I would not trade the ride and handling of the 150.

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Old 08-07-2012, 01:07 PM   #216
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Thanks, we have the beefed up towing package, but it comes with 20" Pirelle Scorpion tires that have a load rating of only 1097 pounds and this is with the Platinum package? We have it on the window sticker and the invoice where we paid for the max tow package -- HD supplemental radiator, extra tran cooling, pull out tow mirrors etc. But the low rating tires, unless I am reading it wrong on the side wall and the door sticker.
The 20" Pirelli Scorpion ATRs are rated between 2403 lb per tire and 3195 lb per tire on TireRack's website. That said, I don't think I'd choose a 20" wheel for towing duties.
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Old 08-07-2012, 04:59 PM   #217
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I run my scorpions at 41-42 psi and they handle just fine. However when they wear down I will replace with a LT or XL tire.
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Sticking with the EB, at least for now, tires are 2430 so fell ok there. Little body sway even with 25' so increased bars from 850# to 1,200#, made a difference when we tested a 30' today. Worked great, took it out for 100 miles, averaged 13.8mpg, not too many hills, some stop and go an some interstate, kept it at 60 MPH. We bought the 30' Flying Cloud.

Thanks again for the input, much appreciated.
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A Question For Newer F150 Drivers

There was a comment in a newer type hitch thread where the towing vehicle, a newer Ford F150 aparently went into sway control mode using the vehicle's brakes and throttle controlled by it's onboard computer. This was a result of the truck and Airstream being passed by a big truck in combination with cross winds.

My question to you F150 Ecoboost drivers is, is this something that happens frquently, or even periodically?

If this has happened to you, please tell us under what road conditions, speed, and what type of hitch you are using.

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Steve, although I've never experienced that type of sway, under advice of Ford and several AS dealers I turn the truck sway control OFF when towing the AS and let any sway be controlled by the hitch assembly. As everyone I've been passed and I've passed numerous tractor trailers and never had a serious sway issue
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Hmmm, did Ford or the several Airstream dealers give you a reason for turning the sway control OFF when towing? Is this good universal advice? What do they know that the Ford, Chrysler, GM, Toyota, etc engineers don't know?

What brand of hitch are you using?

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paiceman, Not saying right or wrong, but that advice conflicts with what I was told by the Technical Advisor at my local Ford dealership. She said that the Ford sway control system when using the Ford brake control is fully intergrated and shoud be used when towing, that is what it is designed to do. On site at the time was her conterpart from Ford, he agreed. They knew I was using an Andersen WD system. Hopefully I will never have to test what is correct. But it adds to the piece of mind of towing with my Ford to know that the system is there and seems to work when the conditions require it.
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SteveH .... It has never happen to me in 8,000 miles of towing... only once when I was on the freeway in a steep bank, I was veered off into the shoulder and it was level (a large angle from the roadway) and the sway control kicked in for about 2 sec... and all was ok.. It did it's job and worked flawless..... 2011 4X4 EcoBoost 3.55 - Have my new 2013 4X4 EcoBoost 3.73 with the new power fold/telescoping mirrors on Order... I love this truck....
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SteveH .... It has never happen to me in 8,000 miles of towing... only once when I was on the freeway in a steep bank, I was veered off into the shoulder and it was level (a large angle from the roadway) and the sway control kicked in for about 2 sec... and all was ok.. It did it's job and worked flawless..... 2011 4X4 EcoBoost 3.55 - Have my new 2013 4X4 EcoBoost 3.73 with the new power fold/telescoping mirrors on Order... I love this truck....
I note that you're going from a 3.55 in the '11 to a 3.73 in the '13. Would you care to tell me more about that? I have a 3.55 in my '07 5.4l and I've thought more than once that the 3.73 probably wouldn't have been significantly thirstier, and would likely let the truck keep the torque converter locked longer and still maintain speeds on moderate slopes.

With the torque-monster Ecoboost, I thought I'd probably be OK with 3.55. It may still be true, my '75 trailer is probably quite a bit lighter than your modern one, but I'm curious about your experience and your move to the 3.73 axle to go along with your new telescoping mirrors.
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