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Old 07-04-2012, 11:40 AM   #197
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A couple of things about the F-150 ecoboost if it's not posted above somewhere already.

Super crew only comes in 5.5' or 6.5' bed. Max towing package is available in either bed length, and obviously only with the 3.73 rear end. The max payload package is separate, and only available in the longer bed. You would be amazed how many dealers aren't even aware of this.

When you go on the lot, the dealers will try to tell you that there isn't much difference between the standard and max tow/Max Payloa package models. They all know the difference in tow capacity, but not the payload usually. Here's the breakdown for 4 x 4 super crews:

Screw 4 x 4 short bed: Payload = 1520 lbs. GVWR = 7200
Screw 4 x 4 short bed Max Tow: Payload = 1900 lbs GVWR =7650
Screw 4 x 4 long bed" Payload = 1560 GVWR = 7350
Screw 4 x 4 long bed Max Tow: Payload = 1840 GVWR = 7700
Screw 4 x 4 long bed Max Tow and Max Payload: Payload = 2310 GVWR = 8200

My point is you gain almost 300-400lbs in payload capacity with the max tow package, and moving from the short bed standard tow package to the long bed HD payload package you gain almost 800 lbs difference! That's full tounge weight for many airstreams.
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Old 07-04-2012, 11:41 AM   #198
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Owl', did you trade for a different EcoBoost, or just have a HD tow package added to your original EcoBoost? If I recall correctly, your original EcoBoost was a short bed. Is that still true?

When you get to the scale, check each axle and each side as well. That will give you lots of information as to axle loads and whether weight is distributed evenly side to side.

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Old 07-04-2012, 09:45 PM   #199
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Tow ratings can be quite confusing. I think the manufacturers stress max tow weight for the trailer which I believe is a pretty useless and unobtainable figure.

I like the KISS principal. I watch the axle ratings and try not to exceed these. I also watch the GVWR, but would probably not loose any sleep exceeding it as long as I was within the maximum weight ratings for the front and rear axle. You can determine your axle load by going to a scale. There is really not a direct measurement for payload.

My 2008 Tundra has a payload rating of 1,755 lbs, GVWR of 6,900 lbs, front axle rating of 3,900 lbs and a rear axle rating of 4,100 lbs. One of the problems with the Tundra is that there is no way to increase the axle ratings and thus the payload rating or the GVRW.

I believe the 1,755 lb payload rating for the Tundra is about normal for a half ton. Your payload rating of 1,250 lbs seems way low.

If I were shopping for an EB F-150, I would go for the max payload rating because that is what you need to tow a trailer with all your gear.

I also agree with Bob that you should remove the helper springs. They worsen the ride towing your Airstream and may loosen some rivits and damage your Airstream.

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We have a 25' FB 2011 Flying Cloud and a 2011 Ford F150 EB, Platinum Edition crew with 6.5 bed and 3.73 . We just returned from a 1,200 mile week trip, 600 each way, both done in one day. Averaged 11.2 MPG at about 65mph. No issues, no problems, the EB runs like a champ, hardly ever went over 2,000 RPM, ran from Pittsburgh up to the UP of Michigan, some pretty good hills, no mountains.

We think the 25 is not the right configuration so we are probably going to move up to a 30' and are looking at an F250 or F350 Diesel. Anyone with any experience with the EB and a 30' AS? We like the truck, does not get great mileage in Pittsburgh, HILLS, but it's ok for a truck. Just figured with the extra power and stronger frame, better tires for towing et al the 250 or 350 would be better.

We both still work so not going for any extended trips for a couple of years, then off to Alaska we hope.

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Old 08-04-2012, 08:32 PM   #201
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We recently returned from a 1,2. 00 mile trip, from Pittsburgh, PA to the UP of MI. We have the EB with 6.5 bed, Platinum and 3.73 rear HD towing package. Did a good job, little shimmy on start up from traffic lights etc. We got about 11.2 MPG overall running at about 65-70 MPG. Loaded witth two generators and fuel in back with other "stuff" along with three kayaks on the truck rack, plus two of us and a 60 pound dog. Truck did well, but we are now considering a 30' AS to give us some more room inside and was wondering if anyone has any experience towing a 30' AS with the F150 EB. I am leaning toward dumping it and going with an F350 Diesel, but don't really want to spend the coin on both another new truck and a new 30' AS. One is bad enough.

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Old 08-04-2012, 10:35 PM   #202
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Going from 25' to 30' is the same frontal arena and about 800# more total weight, tongue weights are similar. I doubt you will notice the difference one trailer to the next. This is because the overall increase in total weight, truck, trailer, and gear, is not much while the frontal area, the most significant factor, is exactly the same.

We went from a 20' Airstream to a 25' Airstream, about 1200# more and there was little if any noticeable difference.

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The heavier trailer is more a matter of acceleration from a stop and the worst mountain ascents. The longer trailer can catch more "wind" (being pulled a bit more; these rounded trailers are pulled by winds passing over versus being pushed as with squared trailers), but neither are said to be enough of a change to warrant a different TV.

The change would more be warranted by how much junk one carries with one and this relates to TW [tongue weight].

Weigh the combination singly and combined as seen in threads with "CAT Scale" in thread title to see where you are now. Best hitch rigging (and maybe some other changes) will offset the worst tendencies of any combination.

Properly distributing the TW is where the action is for any rig.
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it will probably amount to payload capacity.
i towed from miami to nj and found no power issues. my bed had about 25 lbs. of cargo.

base truck is 6000 full tanks and luggage.
34' with just the driver, 35 gal fresh water, empty grey/black tanks, 40 lb of propane and loaded for the season minus food tipped the scales at 9200 lbs.

i don't know the grades i went up/down but i don't think they were much.
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Old 08-05-2012, 06:13 AM   #205
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I have been reading the specs on the 25' and the 30' Flying Clouds and unless listed incorrectly by the dealer who has them both, the difference is 1,500 pounds in GVW of the trailer and the hitch on the 25 is actuall showing to be 37 pounds more than the 30'?

We carry two honda 2000 generators @ 45 pounds a piece, two lounge chairs at 8 pounds a piece, a grill at 5 pounds and three kayaks at a total of 115 pounds then the two of us and our labrador at a total of 370 pounds, leveling boards at 20 pounds, charcol at 10 pounds extra generator fuel at 100 pounds for a total of 816 pounds cargo, everything else is in the trailer.

Still like "Tim the tool mans" theory, bigger is better. F250 Diesel with Max Tow

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Old 08-05-2012, 06:34 AM   #206
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I have been looking at the F-150 Ecoboost also. I talked with a pool repair guy who has had one for about a year. He has been towing a Bobcat on an equipment trailer with it and said that it does better than his older F-150 with a 5.4 L engine. I have not seen one yet at any W.B.C.C.I. Rallies.
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Paice', I can't answer your question about the EB and a 30' trailer, but a diesel is going to another extreme. The larger gas engines can do the job, have less maintenance and less initial cost.

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Plaice,
Another option is to stay with the EB engine but get the F150 with the max payload package. Ford tells me this gives you beefed up suspension, brakes and differential using many of the F250 components. You can't get this option on the Platinum but can on the Lariat and some other trim levels. Something to consider anyway.
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Thanks, we have the beefed up towing package, but it comes with 20" Pirelle Scorpion tires that have a load rating of only 1097 pounds and this is with the Platinum package? We have it on the window sticker and the invoice where we paid for the max tow package -- HD supplemental radiator, extra tran cooling, pull out tow mirrors etc. But the low rating tires, unless I am reading it wrong on the side wall and the door sticker.
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MSMC - I have no issues at all with the ability of the EB to tow. The 25' we have with all tanks full (on purpose) had no issues in mountains, straights, curves etc. We did a lot of research before buying it, thought the 25 was right for us, now are looking at a 30' and from what we are reading and in talking with folks it appears we would be illegal. I am however, very confident it can pull the 30' with no issues. My major concern are the tires right now.
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