Ford F-150 EcoBoost review

[Ramble On]

Originally Posted by Jim Clark

Mine states" The combined weight of occupants and cargo should never exceed 708 kg 0r 1561 lbs." I have the standard tow package and 3.55 rear end. I would like to see a bit more but I am within safety limits. DC dealers are really ordering the really base trucks. Mine is a 2011. Mine is a trimmed out Lariat package and is 2011. I originally pulled a 25 now a 28, I don't load the truck or the trailer heavy, but if you carry a lot of toys or have a large family I see how you could run into a issue.

My truck 2012 f150 Eb Max tow, has a GVWR of 7650 lbs and payload of 1900 lbs.

Fawr=3750 lbs
Rawr=4050 lbs
Add those together = 7800lbs.
Ford does include for 150 lb driver.

Payload calculation:
tongue weight=900lbs-300lbs for WD=600lbs
30 extra pounds for my fat ass
100 lb wife
100 lbs of miscellaneous crap in my truck
50 lbs food and ice
100 lbs stuff in the bed of truck

Grand Total=980 lbs. I still have capacity for almost 1/2 ton of additional
cargo that I probably won't use anyway.

[JFScheck]

PP & Haha claims its actually more like 150lbs on 900lbs weight moved back to trailers axels - that's what I saw at the scales as well as others on the forum as seen on their cat scale readouts. Might be because the haha and pp add 100+ pounds or so to the tongue themselves.

Thanks for posting the max capacity picture sticker, I'm sure everyone will have fun checking their weights now.

2009 Touareg TDI (that I owned) max payload was around 14xx (close to 1500)
2011 TDI max payload 1331lbs (just looked at neighbors sticker)
2013 F-150 EcoBoost that I had was max payload 1209lbs (Crew Ranch, optioned out with 4x4, skid plates, six lug rims). Seven lug rims are easy was to tell the higher payload F-150's - I think max payload optioned.

So again, check for your sticker as the one posted here, as you see some folks have more max payload then the 1209lbs that I had.

[JFScheck]

Originally Posted by Jim Clark

Here is the 2013 Payload guide for the F-150, Don't see any payload listed as low as John quoted.
2013 Ford F-150 | View Payload Specifications | Ford.com

Jim, that book is misleading and how me and the sales manager (we have Lot's of boats, rv and horse trailers out here too) walked into this mess.

End of the day, the final verdict rests with the calculated weight as placed on each vehicles door jam as to that particular vehicle as optioned out. See example of this sticker as posted a few posts back.

Love to see some 1500 & 150 payload pictures to compare with the 1209lbs of the truck I had purchased.

Here is what one looks like one again...


If I would have known this (somewhere in the back of my mind I did remember this fact from the Touareg days) or remembered before driving off the lot, I would of had a less costly lesson.

[Ramble On]

All of my calculations are just estimates. I will know the true story when I go to the scales. But I am certain of the trucks ratings and capacities as per Ford.

[JFScheck]

So, everyone - if interested, check your max payload sticker...

If you have been towing with your vehicle (150, 1500, SUV) and everything feels good but your only a few pounds over - (I would think there is a little safety margin built in there) - then your now in the "know"!!!

If not, you are a bit overweight, etc. - maybe drive a bit more cautiously or reduce some weight or be aware not to add any more....

And as always, only a trip to your scales will give one the actual numbers to back into your max payload weight.

And if you are sick of all this just move along....

[dkottum]

Question about tongue weights with and without PP/HA hitches.

Without the PP/HH the truck receiver carries the tongue weight measured at the ball. (A conventional weight distribution hitch, would add to that weight.)

With the PP/HA hitch the truck receiver carries the tongue weight of the trailer weighed at the truck receiver, about 18" farther away from the trailer axles. It seems simply weighing the trailer at the tongue coupling, and then adding the PP/HA weight, is incorrect to determine the weight added to the truck payload. Trailer tongue weight should be weighed at the point the trailer attaches to the truck receiver.

Has anyone actually weighed a PP/HA-equipped at the truck receiver point, rather than the trailer coupling? Does it make a significant difference?

doug k

[Ramble On]

Originally Posted by JFScheck

Jim, that book is misleading and how me and the sales manager (we have Lot's of boats, rv and horse trailers out here too) walked into this mess.

End of the day, the final verdict rests with the calculated weight as placed on each vehicles door jam as to that particular vehicle as optioned out. See example of this sticker as posted a few posts back.

Love to see some 1500 & 150 payload pictures to compare with the 1209lbs of the truck I had purchased.

Here is what one looks like one again...


If I would have known this (somewhere in the back of my mind I did remember this fact from the Touareg days) or remembered before driving off the lot, I would of had a less costly lesson.

Here are the doors sticker on my truck.



I had the dealer change tires to michelin load range e LT tires which have a much higher capacity than the stock Passenger tires.

[Bill M.]

What is the heavy payload package and what can you get it on? A 150 that can carry 2500 ins sounds like a tow to me. I think that may be more than my 2500 Dodge. I suspect many half ton trucks are rated down because of D tires?

[richinny]

Originally Posted by JFScheck

Love to see some 1500 & 150 payload pictures to compare with the 1209lbs of the truck I had purchased.

here is mine.

[AirHeadsRus]

[QUOTE=JFScheck;1291874]So, everyone - if interested, check your max payload sticker...

When I tow I am within my F-150 towing capacity with no problem fully loaded for extended camping.

[DKB_SATX]

Originally Posted by Bill M.

What is the heavy payload package and what can you get it on? A 150 that can carry 2500 ins sounds like a tow to me. I think that may be more than my 2500 Dodge. I suspect many half ton trucks are rated down because of D tires?

HD Payload is available in a few configurations of the F150. You can get it in XL, XLT or Lariat trim, *NOT* in King Ranch, Limited or Platinum trucks so just ignore those. They're just luxury cars with a big open trunk. I don't think it's available in the STX or FX2/FX4 either.

In the Supercab you can only get HD Payload with the 8-foot bed, in the SuperCrew it requires the 6.5' bed (157" wheelbase.). It includes the 3.73 limited-slip differential and 7-lug wheels and I think it only comes with the tow package.

[Jim Clark]

Originally Posted by Ramble On

My truck 2012 f150 Eb Max tow, has a GVWR of 7650 lbs and payload of 1900 lbs.

Fawr=3750 lbs
Rawr=4050 lbs
Add those together = 7800lbs.
Ford does include for 150 lb driver.

Payload calculation:
tongue weight=900lbs-300lbs for WD=600lbs
30 extra pounds for my fat ass
100 lb wife
100 lbs of miscellaneous crap in my truck
50 lbs food and ice
100 lbs stuff in the bed of truck

Grand Total=980 lbs. I still have capacity for almost 1/2 ton of additional
cargo that I probably won't use anyway.

I have just the Tow Package not the Max Tow. I am good for what I do. I love my truck, I had 3/4 of tank of gas went from New Orleans to Mobile and back to pickup sons dorm room contents, still have 91 miles to go until m/t.

[Jim Clark]

Originally Posted by JFScheck

So, everyone - if interested, check your max payload sticker...

If you have been towing with your vehicle (150, 1500, SUV) and everything feels good but your only a few pounds over - (I would think there is a little safety margin built in there) - then your now in the "know"!!!

If not, you are a bit overweight, etc. - maybe drive a bit more cautiously or reduce some weight or be aware not to add any more....

And as always, only a trip to your scales will give one the actual numbers to back into your max payload weight.

And if you are sick of all this just move along....

John, sorry you ended up losing money on what should of been a pleasure. Take heart you experience has made many of us take a look at our numbers and what is going on in real life, you may have saved some one from injury or prevented a wreck.

I also read RV.Net,now that is where you find rv owners pushing the limit.

[Jim Clark]

Here is mine, I keep a picture of it on my iPhone. 2011 EB Lariat. Standard Tow Package.

[Ramble On]

Originally Posted by DKB_SATX

HD Payload is available in a few configurations of the F150. You can get it in XL, XLT or Lariat trim, *NOT* in King Ranch, Limited or Platinum trucks so just ignore those. They're just luxury cars with a big open trunk. I don't think it's available in the STX or FX2/FX4 either.

In the Supercab you can only get HD Payload with the 8-foot bed, in the SuperCrew it requires the 6.5' bed (157" wheelbase.). It includes the 3.73 limited-slip differential and 7-lug wheels and I think it only comes with the tow package.

When I bought my truck, I had several dealers look for one that had the max tow and heavy payload option in the lariat supercrew configuration. None could be found. I suspect that you would have to special order one. That truck would be the best option for someone who wanted to drive a 1/2 ton and and carry a lot of stuff.

[richinny]

Originally Posted by Earthcreeper

I want to confirm something I read. Someone said that they get better mileage on their ecoBoost if they turn off "sway control" under settings on the F150. I can confirm it is true. my mileage has increased 2-3mpg in a none towing situation. It is always on so you need to turn it off each time you get in the truck. I was amazed as my mileage had been mostly 16.3 and now it hits 19. It has gone over 20 and I had never seen that before, period.

i had a chance to try this out today for about 80 miles in very light traffic. some very rough numbers not towing were ......
65 mph --- 22 mpg
60 mph --- 23 mpg
50 mph --- 25 mpg
that comes out to 2.5 - 3.5 mpg better than i've ever gotten before. these readings were off the dash computer. it was funny to see the "miles to empty" stay the same for a long time. i don't think it was related to the truck being covered in pollen.

[kscherzi]

I'm not entirely sure how sway control works, but I think somewhere I read by selective application of rear wheel brakes. If so then one would think the rear brakes would be wearing quickly to drop mileage by 2 or 3.

I wonder if instead the car computer had a bug where it incorrectly computes mileage when sway control is off. Its a mystery.

[ROBERT CROSS]

From what I've read about the "on board sway control", it does very little to stop trailer sway, just controls a portion from being transferred to the tow vehicle, and helps reduce the sway caused by excessive driver input.
It activates only after the sway has started.

The last sentence here may account for the MPG difference...IF the trucks computer is activating due to unknown conditions while NOT towing....

"• Trailer Sway Control uses the technologies of Ford’s AdvanceTrac® with RSC® (Roll Stability Control) to provide an additional layer of confidence and control while towing. These include wheel speed, throttle position and steering wheel angle sensors, yaw rate and lateral acceleration sensors and a gyroscopic roll rate sensor
• When the system detects the trailer yawing in one direction, it applies selective brake pressure on the tow vehicle’s opposite side – called asymmetric braking. This creates counter-moments to the forces applied on the vehicle from the trailer, dampens the yaw motion and helps to reduce the sway
• Trailer Sway Control also can reduce engine power as part of its trailer-sway mitigation strategy."

Bob

[LaBigDogs]

First off I want to thank all the engineers at Ford for coming up with such great system, rolling in my second eco-boost and I love this feature it works flawless. With all wheel drive on, Solo or pulling my Airstream this vehicle is very sure-footed.

[JFScheck]

Chevy just announces their new 2014 V8 - comparable to the EcoBoost in both power and mpg.


Our EcoTec3 5.3L V-8 engine offers an EPA-estimated 23 mpg highway for 2WD models and 22 mpg highway for 4WD models. That’s better than any V-8 competitor and beats the EPA highway estimates for the Ford F-150 EcoBoost turbocharged V-6.† With our EcoTec3 5.3L V-8 engine, you keep the benefits of a larger-displacement engine and get better fuel efficiency. We think of it as “doing more with more.”

Hey Chevy, this is a truck, what's the torque compared to the EcoBoost?

If I were looking at a 1500/F-150 - just give me the 2013 Hemi/Ram package... The trucks wars march on - Great News for us consumers!