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Old 08-02-2011, 04:23 PM   #113
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On other diesel web sites, there are some urea tanks on all of the newer diesels that are having a problem with the urea freezing in the winter and if that happens, you are stuck. The sensor shuts down and there you are. Also, if the urea tank goes to empty, you have the same problem, no go. Fortunately, my gas rig only has to worry about ethanol staying in my tank too long, but I run it enough not have that worry.
The urea problem is overstated. The truck stops are full of it at good prices, the tank fill lasts a very long time (depending on load), and fuel mileage is improved as a result. The lower price of a truck without urea is offset by higher fuel consumption. The addition to the cpm calculation is low for urea use.

Pay now or pay later. Plus in the next year or three ALL the diesel pickups will be using it.

If the tank goes empty you have quite a ways to travel before the computer kicks back at you. Etc.

Link us, please, to forums with commercial users who are having these problems. I don't see it on general nor Dodge-specific forums.
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Old 08-02-2011, 05:04 PM   #114
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The thread title is Ecoboost. Amazing how many people with diesels don't know the difference.
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Old 08-02-2011, 09:57 PM   #115
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They are in a world of their own....all they smell is diesel.

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Old 08-03-2011, 12:32 PM   #116
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The new Consumer Reports tested the Ford 150 with the 5.0 engine and the EcoBoost engine. They didn't recommend the EcoBoost apparently because it is new and has no track record.

They said both Ford engines got 15 mpg, same as Tundra. I know our Tundra is better than that, but they probably test in urban areas where there isn't much ability to drive at highway speeds for very long. Chevies all were 14 mpg, but were highest in overall ratings. Tundra was rated more reliable than any other full size truck. Nissan Titan rated lowest overall. Dodge had lowest reliability.

CR's test didn't show any difference in gas mileage with the EcoBoost. I know this is different from previous posters' experiences. None of the CR mpg tests were when towing.

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Old 08-03-2011, 12:42 PM   #117
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The new Consumer Reports tested the Ford 150 with the 5.0 engine and the EcoBoost engine. They didn't recommend the EcoBoost apparently because it is new and has no track record.

They said both Ford engines got 15 mpg, same as Tundra.
Lieing bas***ds! They obviously didn't check the onboard computer for a "snapshot" of the mileage.
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They said both Ford engines got 15 mpg, same as Tundra. I know our Tundra is better than that, but they probably test in urban areas where there isn't much ability to drive at highway speeds for very long. Chevies all were 14 mpg, but were highest in overall ratings. Tundra was rated more reliable than any other full size truck. Nissan Titan rated lowest overall. Dodge had lowest reliability.

CR's test didn't show any difference in gas mileage with the EcoBoost. I know this is different from previous posters' experiences. None of the CR mpg tests were when towing.

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I drove my Ecoboost over 300 miles yesterday at 70 to 75 mph down intestate and two lane country roads without thinking about gas mileage and was getting between 20.5 and 21. CR has no clue.

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Lieing bas***ds! They obviously didn't check the onboard computer for a "snapshot" of the mileage.
Or use a paper and pencil.
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Old 08-03-2011, 02:27 PM   #120
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CR's highway mileage number with the Ecoboost (and the 5.0-liter) was 22 mpg. The 15 mpg is an overall figure that combines city, highway, and a mixed driving loop.

There's more information about towing (with a 7500-lb enclosed car carrier) with the two trucks on the blog here.

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Old 08-03-2011, 02:37 PM   #121
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CR sometimes is very wrong, and other times pretty accurate. They want all trucks to feel and act like cars and don't seem to understand there are good reasons for most differences. Their tests for maneuverability using cones have been shown to be error prone and unfairly rated some vehicles badly because their drivers do not do each test each vehicle the exact same way.

Let's suppose each truck is tested on the same roads at the same time of day for a long enough time to smooth out variations—an accident one time slowing everyone down and using more gas, for example. The numbers CR comes up with may be off for all trucks, but the comparisons between them should be fairly accurate. I would hope CR is smart enough to do mileage tests accurately. It's really not that hard.

What is significant is the differences between the trucks, not the absolute numbers. Why did the EcoBoost have the same numbers as the 5.0L Ford engine? Why is the Tundra higher with a bigger engine?

So far as the numbers the truck computer gives you about gas mileage, they are as accurate as gas gauges, odometers and whatever chip they use to calculate the number. It appears most or all register higher numbers than calculating it ourselves using paper, pen, calculator or mind, and the slightly off odometer (it reads about 2% high). Since the manufacturers want you to believe gas mileage is higher than it is, is it strange the numbers they give are higher than reality? And the readout that tells me how many miles I have before I run out of gas is from 50 to 75 miles off—in the opposite direction. The gas pump light comes on first, then the gauge reads E, then the read out gets to 0, and if I buy gas then, I usually have 3+ gallons, sometimes 5. So they are trying to protect us from ourselves—so we don't run out of gas. How nice if they just told the truth.

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Tom, thanks for the link to CR's more expansive report on the Fords. It doesn't give comparisons to like numbers for other trucks, but does add to the information.

CR did do a towing test on both Fords and got 10 mpg overall with a 7,500 lb. trailer. Maybe with an Airstream it would be higher.

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I've got a supercab with an 8 foot box and a leer cap. Hd load rating and max tow.
3.73 rear ratio and 2670 lb cargo capacity. That's about as heavy duty as you can get a 150.
If I drive at 60 mph on the highway and 50 on secondary highways with small towns thrown in I get 10 litres per 100km. That's about 27 or 28 MPG Imperial.
When towing my 31 foot Airsteam which has a dry weight of 7300LB. I get 14 to 15 MPG Imperial consistently. This is in Ontario and New York State and Pennsylvania.
Not mountainous but there are some good hills.
And yes it is an ecoboost engine and I drive conservatively. Towing I don't exceed 60 MPH.
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CR is VERY pro-foreign car if you look at their past statistics. I, personally, am very pro-USA made/owned and prefer Ford, since they took no Gov't money. That said, if I had to make a second choice, it would still be a USA company. That's just me. My son-in-law is a Honda nut and we have our moments.

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I think Ford has learned their lesson especially with the 6.0L Diesel. It looks like they really gave the new EcoBoost engine some severe testing. I will be interested to see how the EcoBoost engine stands up in a year or two especially when used for towing. This could really change my idea of what I need for a tow vehicle. I currently do have a Ford F250SD with the 6.0L engine and have had absolutely no problems with it, but I follow the recommendations for oil changes and maintenance.

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CR is VERY pro-foreign car if you look at their past statistics. I, personally, am very pro-USA made/owned and prefer Ford, since they took no Gov't money. That said, if I had to make a second choice, it would still be a USA company. That's just me. My son-in-law is a Honda nut and we have our moments.

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I agree that CR does seem to have quite a bias for vehicles made by foreign companies whether made overseas or made in a US factory. This has been my observation for years and is a reason I refuse to subscribe to their publications.

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