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Old 04-27-2013, 04:36 PM   #295
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Correction!!!!
I checked my vehicle sticker on rear front door post. Max payload is 2640lb.
I was over by 100 lbs.
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Old 04-27-2013, 06:23 PM   #296
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Actually, with a weight distributing hitch, subtract 563 lbs. because the hitch splits the tongue weight roughly 1/3 to trailer axles and 2/3 to truck axles. That gives you enough to take a big dog too.

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Old 04-27-2013, 07:12 PM   #297
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Actually, with a weight distributing hitch, subtract 563 lbs. because the hitch splits the tongue weight roughly 1/3 to trailer axles and 2/3 to truck axles. That gives you enough to take a big dog too.

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Thanks Gene, I am better off than I thought. I have 2 Schnauzers with a combined weight of 25 lbs. My truck is rated at 1561, so that leaves 433 lbs to play with.

John has no reason to be mad at Ford he bought the truck. Now if he and the salesman looked at the brochure together and the salesman directed him to the truck after knowing his needs then I would be hopping mad. I do wonder if the brochure has a disclaimer about towing and optional equipment. When I traded my 25 Safri and went to the 28 International. I researched whether I could tow with my current truck or not, I found all the charts on line with options and gearing. The salesmen here in New Orleans are savvy about towing, lot of boats around and contractors buy trucks to tow with. It is hard to find a truck without the tow package.
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Old 04-27-2013, 07:20 PM   #298
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Old 04-27-2013, 09:08 PM   #299
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Here is the 2013 Payload guide for the F-150, Don't see any payload listed as low as John quoted.


2013 Ford F-150 | View Payload Specifications | Ford.com
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Old 04-28-2013, 07:31 AM   #300
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We are extremely happy with our F250 6.7 Diesel. No weight issues towing a 30' Flying Cloud - not handling issues etc. Plus she gets, calculated not using the computer, 16.1 MPG in the hills of Western PA while not towing. Sure diesel is more expensive - but when compared to the Ecoboost we had ON FUEL only we are saving money.

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Old 04-28-2013, 08:42 AM   #301
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Mine states" The combined weight of occupants and cargo should never exceed 708 kg 0r 1561 lbs." I have the standard tow package and 3.55 rear end. I would like to see a bit more but I am within safety limits. DC dealers are really ordering the really base trucks. Mine is a 2011. Mine is a trimmed out Lariat package and is 2011. I originally pulled a 25 now a 28, I don't load the truck or the trailer heavy, but if you carry a lot of toys or have a large family I see how you could run into a issue.
My truck 2012 f150 Eb Max tow, has a GVWR of 7650 lbs and payload of 1900 lbs.

Fawr=3750 lbs
Rawr=4050 lbs
Add those together = 7800lbs.
Ford does include for 150 lb driver.

Payload calculation:
tongue weight=900lbs-300lbs for WD=600lbs
30 extra pounds for my fat ass
100 lb wife
100 lbs of miscellaneous crap in my truck
50 lbs food and ice
100 lbs stuff in the bed of truck

Grand Total=980 lbs. I still have capacity for almost 1/2 ton of additional
cargo that I probably won't use anyway.
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PP & Haha claims its actually more like 150lbs on 900lbs weight moved back to trailers axels - that's what I saw at the scales as well as others on the forum as seen on their cat scale readouts. Might be because the haha and pp add 100+ pounds or so to the tongue themselves.

Thanks for posting the max capacity picture sticker, I'm sure everyone will have fun checking their weights now.

2009 Touareg TDI (that I owned) max payload was around 14xx (close to 1500)
2011 TDI max payload 1331lbs (just looked at neighbors sticker)
2013 F-150 EcoBoost that I had was max payload 1209lbs (Crew Ranch, optioned out with 4x4, skid plates, six lug rims). Seven lug rims are easy was to tell the higher payload F-150's - I think max payload optioned.

So again, check for your sticker as the one posted here, as you see some folks have more max payload then the 1209lbs that I had.

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Here is the 2013 Payload guide for the F-150, Don't see any payload listed as low as John quoted.
2013 Ford F-150 | View Payload Specifications | Ford.com
Jim, that book is misleading and how me and the sales manager (we have Lot's of boats, rv and horse trailers out here too) walked into this mess.

End of the day, the final verdict rests with the calculated weight as placed on each vehicles door jam as to that particular vehicle as optioned out. See example of this sticker as posted a few posts back.

Love to see some 1500 & 150 payload pictures to compare with the 1209lbs of the truck I had purchased.

Here is what one looks like one again...


If I would have known this (somewhere in the back of my mind I did remember this fact from the Touareg days) or remembered before driving off the lot, I would of had a less costly lesson.

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All of my calculations are just estimates. I will know the true story when I go to the scales. But I am certain of the trucks ratings and capacities as per Ford.
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So, everyone - if interested, check your max payload sticker...

If you have been towing with your vehicle (150, 1500, SUV) and everything feels good but your only a few pounds over - (I would think there is a little safety margin built in there) - then your now in the "know"!!!

If not, you are a bit overweight, etc. - maybe drive a bit more cautiously or reduce some weight or be aware not to add any more....


And as always, only a trip to your scales will give one the actual numbers to back into your max payload weight.

And if you are sick of all this just move along....
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Question about tongue weights with and without PP/HA hitches.

Without the PP/HH the truck receiver carries the tongue weight measured at the ball. (A conventional weight distribution hitch, would add to that weight.)

With the PP/HA hitch the truck receiver carries the tongue weight of the trailer weighed at the truck receiver, about 18" farther away from the trailer axles. It seems simply weighing the trailer at the tongue coupling, and then adding the PP/HA weight, is incorrect to determine the weight added to the truck payload. Trailer tongue weight should be weighed at the point the trailer attaches to the truck receiver.

Has anyone actually weighed a PP/HA-equipped at the truck receiver point, rather than the trailer coupling? Does it make a significant difference?

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Jim, that book is misleading and how me and the sales manager (we have Lot's of boats, rv and horse trailers out here too) walked into this mess.

End of the day, the final verdict rests with the calculated weight as placed on each vehicles door jam as to that particular vehicle as optioned out. See example of this sticker as posted a few posts back.

Love to see some 1500 & 150 payload pictures to compare with the 1209lbs of the truck I had purchased.

Here is what one looks like one again...


If I would have known this (somewhere in the back of my mind I did remember this fact from the Touareg days) or remembered before driving off the lot, I would of had a less costly lesson.

Here are the doors sticker on my truck.Click image for larger version

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I had the dealer change tires to michelin load range e LT tires which have a much higher capacity than the stock Passenger tires.
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What is the heavy payload package and what can you get it on? A 150 that can carry 2500 ins sounds like a tow to me. I think that may be more than my 2500 Dodge. I suspect many half ton trucks are rated down because of D tires?
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