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Old 04-19-2013, 10:11 AM   #239
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I have been following some posts. I just purchased an AS 25 Classic. Stated dry weight is 6140, tongue weight is 870 dry, GVWR 8000. Hoping to pull this with my EcoBoost with a 3.55 rear axle, does not have Max Tow. F150 rated for 9600 towing and GVRW of 7200. Comments?
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Old 04-19-2013, 10:30 AM   #240
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I have been following some posts. I just purchased an AS 25 Classic. Stated dry weight is 6140, tongue weight is 870 dry, GVWR 8000. Hoping to pull this with my EcoBoost with a 3.55 rear axle, does not have Max Tow. F150 rated for 9600 towing and GVRW of 7200. Comments?
The only things Max Tow brings to the party (vs. the Tow Package) besides the 3.73 rear diff are the integrated brake controller (which is available as a stand-alone option with the regular tow package, I believe) and the extending mirrors. You'd probably notice a little difference pulling steep grades with the 3.73 vs. your 3.55, but in flatter terrain I wouldn't expect it to matter much.
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Old 04-19-2013, 10:34 AM   #241
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I have been following some posts. I just purchased an AS 25 Classic. Stated dry weight is 6140, tongue weight is 870 dry, GVWR 8000. Hoping to pull this with my EcoBoost with a 3.55 rear axle, does not have Max Tow. F150 rated for 9600 towing and GVRW of 7200. Comments?
Check the axle weight ratings of the EB, tag should be on the driver door jamb.

Payload may be the limiting factor not performance ability.

As Gene stated in a previous post factory weights are mostly fiction.

I also have a 25 Classic, this is the loaded tongue weight.


The Classic's are rather plump.

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Earthcreeper, I have found a good weight distribution hitch able to transfer sufficient weight is a good starting point. We tried a couple of hitches but settled on a Propride with 14,000 bars does the trick on our 2012 1/2 ton Dodge Ram, as well as completely stable towing.

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I have looked into the Propride however, my payload is so limiting that the added 195 pounds to the hitch weight is too much so I need to keep that much lighter if possible. Without the Max Tow package my upside on pay load is stated in the door jamb as 2156 and that is with the P rated tires. I have replaced to tires to E rated for safety. Still researching the weight distribution hitches. Of course the new Anderson is likely the lightest weight I just have not been able to get comfortable with the idea of torquing the chains and such. Sort of going between the grunion Draw TITE or Reese hitch with 1000 pound bars as a minimum.
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Weight distribution is an underlying theme of this thread because it so important to the capability of the truck. As is stability. Many of us have learned (I have used and tossed the Equal-I-Zer and Andersen) nothing does it as well as the Propride/Hensley design.

Although it is heavy, the differential to another hitch is less significant, and much of this is distributed among axles. It is also expensive, but would have been $1,000 cheaper if I hadn't bought two other less capable hitches first.

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Weight distribution is an underlying theme of this thread because it so important to the capability of the truck. As is stability. Many of us have learned (I have used and tossed the Equal-I-Zer and Andersen) nothing does it as well as the Propride/Hensley design.

Although it is heavy, the differential to another hitch is less significant, and much of this is distributed among axles. It is also expensive, but would have been $1,000 cheaper if I hadn't bought two other less capable hitches first.

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We had an Ecoboost, 2011 ordered and we thought set up to tow a 25'. In fact it did, towed great, but then a friend suggested I check the tires - not even close to being able to take the tongue, loaded truck and passengers. We then purchased a 30' new AS, obviously situation less acceptable. Sold truck to neighbor for what I paid for it and purchased a F250 Diesel, it too can tow the 30' actually very easily - it's tires are E rated and can take what we have in the truck and tongue weight.

When doing all the research the dealership has NO idea, Ford headquarters is very limited in their knowledge, tires shops are not much better, at least around here. So, I made the decisions after much research. Your truck can tow the trailer, the payload may be sufficient, but the tires are probably not.

I suggest anyone out for a new tow vehicle start with the tires.

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We had an Ecoboost, 2011 ordered and we thought set up to tow a 25'. In fact it did, towed great, but then a friend suggested I check the tires - not even close to being able to take the tongue, loaded truck and passengers. We then purchased a 30' new AS, obviously situation less acceptable. Sold truck to neighbor for what I paid for it and purchased a F250 Diesel, it too can tow the 30' actually very easily - it's tires are E rated and can take what we have in the truck and tongue weight.

When doing all the research the dealership has NO idea, Ford headquarters is very limited in their knowledge, tires shops are not much better, at least around here. So, I made the decisions after much research. Your truck can tow the trailer, the payload may be sufficient, but the tires are probably not.

I suggest anyone out for a new tow vehicle start with the tires.

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I also have a 25 Classic, this is the loaded tongue weight.

Bob - are you placing the scale under the jack stand? If you place it under the base of the Hensley, you should get a different number. My 25FB weighs 900# at the hitch and 1200# at the jack stand.
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Old 04-20-2013, 11:41 AM   #249
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Bob - are you placing the scale under the jack stand? If you place it under the base of the Hensley, you should get a different number. My 25FB weighs 900# at the hitch and 1200# at the jack stand.
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I used the plate from my floor jack under the Hensley with a section of wood between the bars. It wasn't directly under the ball, about 3" back, not perfect but as close as I could get...safely.
As close as I can figure it was about 100# off.
The AS was fully loaded for 'dock'n though, full FW, LPG and all provisions.

Remember the Classic is a little plumper than the average AS.

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Lots of reviewing going on about the Eco Boost. I guess the jury is still out. Some are getting outstanding fuel milage and others are not. Still undecided myself. I just would hate to have to get a big diesel for everyday use.
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