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Old 07-09-2013, 06:51 PM   #43
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Howdy I know Ya'll hate me BUT I never buy a new truck or SUV I alway buy low milage ( Under 10,000 miles) used.Never do I buy what is new to the road only what is old tech and proven.Got my 2000 Ford Excursion in 2001 with 8000 mile on it.It has the V10 that had more thread about what was wrong with them on line.I now after 13 years have 75000 miles on it and have only had to replace the Firestone tire with good old Michelins.Outside of oil changes all that I have done is replace the fan belt.(guess now its called by another name)
On my wifes SUV we have never done a thing but oil changes
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Photo Two old cars both bought use, both have been no problem.I saved lots of $$$ and had NO payment.
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Old 07-09-2013, 07:41 PM   #44
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Old 07-09-2013, 08:53 PM   #45
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Just curious if those with towing issues if you were in tow haul mode? It appears for example that in tow haul mode in over drive (6th gear) the RPM are about 500 higher then when not in tow haul mode. The point being that when using tow haul mode the engine and tranny are not searching for the proper gear and RPM's.
No, not in tow/haul mode. And my issues were not just while towing. Loss of power happened three times. Two while towing / one solo.
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Old 07-09-2013, 09:25 PM   #46
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No, not in tow/haul mode. And my issues were not just while towing. Loss of power happened three times. Two while towing / one solo.
You could of put it in neutral and floored it until something happend.
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Old 07-09-2013, 10:57 PM   #47
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My theory is the more crap, the more crap fails, especially new crap, like turbo's on gassers. The diesels still have problems with even more and newer crap every year. My old V-10 Ford gasser is the best gas engine ever made for towing, IMHO. It is still evident, since most all Class C RV's are still using the V-10 and is the champ engine of all time for RV gas engines on the road today, since 1999.
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Old 07-10-2013, 12:26 AM   #48
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I agree with pappy....but when it is time to upgrade and you want to go new one must go with what is out there.
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Old 07-10-2013, 05:55 AM   #49
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My theory is the more crap, the more crap fails, especially new crap, like turbo's on gassers. The diesels still have problems with even more and newer crap every year. My old V-10 Ford gasser is the best gas engine ever made for towing, IMHO. It is still evident, since most all Class C RV's are still using the V-10 and is the champ engine of all time for RV gas engines on the road today, since 1999.
I have to disagree in general. Engines of today are far more complicated than engines of 30+ years ago - yet they are significantly more reliable.

Yes there are blips along the way, and examples of technology that was not that successful. And I certainly will not question anybody who is wanting to take a wait and see approach to a new piece of kit.

But this is how designs improve. The good stuff lives on and the bad stuff gets thrown by the wayside.

Turbos are here to stay. It allows higher performance from a smaller engine. The car companies are forced into hitting emissions targets for their vehicles, but still have to deliver performance.
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Just got off the phone with my Ford dealer and he stated the alleged fix has not been successful . He recommended "getting in to it" every 30 minutes or so if in those wet humid conditions. Said Ford would notify if they make some sort of recall.
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Old 07-10-2013, 12:18 PM   #51
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Bmark, sounds to me like your dealer is confused. You might wish to talk to another service department.
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Old 07-10-2013, 12:29 PM   #52
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i just got a call from my area district dealer rep.

she told me just what the dealer said, "no code/no repair". she said that the dealer tried to replicate the problem without success. i asked how that was when it was warm and dry and the trailer was not with the truck. i WAS offered the opportunity for ME to drive my truck and trailer around until it happens again and come right into the dealer. i told her even if this was a logical solution, my truck and trailer are too big to fit in their lot. it sounded a lot like i was being told to "go play in traffic". so, i'm just going to have my attorney send a letter to ford and the dealer putting them on notice. if nothing goes wrong then great but if something hits the fan, they can be the deep pocket. i'm giving ford an "F".
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Old 07-10-2013, 12:40 PM   #53
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Turbos are here to stay. It allows higher performance from a smaller engine. The car companies are forced into hitting emissions targets for their vehicles, but still have to deliver performance.
Well, Ford and GM and a lot of the others have been saying that turbos are "here to stay" since the late 1970's. And yet, the majority of vehicles sold even now are NA.
Let's face it, a turbo is a precision little device that is asked to perform under very difficult conditions. To expect them to be spectacularly reliable across the fleet for long mileage intervals is asking a lot.

Personally, I avoid them whenever possible........the Ford PS TD sitting down by the barn, notwithstanding.
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I do not understand why people are being jerked around by their dealerships. When I took mine in I told them the issue, gave them the number of the update and they flashed my computer, no further questions asked. I have had no repeates of the engine stumble.
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I do not understand why people are being jerked around by their dealerships. When I took mine in I told them the issue, gave them the number of the update and they flashed my computer, no further questions asked. I have had no repeates of the engine stumble.
Michael,
I think it is as you have stated elsewhere: not all dealers are equal. As a for instance, here in my fair city, many of the dealers have few ( or none ) techs that can properly work on powerstrokes. But we do have very large "truck oriented" dealership that is well equipped to fix these trucks.
If someone is having a hard time getting their dealers attention on these ecoboost F150's, I would suggest trying to find a dealer in your area that is a high volume F series seller. The odds of them being well versed in fixing them is, IMO, better.
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