Ford 6.7, 2012, diesel, lariat, 4X4??

[carver 1]

I would appreciate any feedback on this vehicle. Only 38,000 miles. I'm concerned because Consumer Reports indicates to avoid this year.

Thanks,

>>ron<<

[85 Sovereign]

My experience with the 6.7L engines isn't that extensive. I would definitely avoid a 6.4L, or a 6.0L if it hasn't already had the head studs replaced. The 6.7L has plenty of towing power, but I can't speak to its longevity. The 7.3L on the other hand, is tough to beat. I've got 188K on mine and it still isn't broken in.

[747 Mech]

Try looking here
Loads of info you can read for days

6.7L Power Stroke Diesel - Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums

I have a 2015 F-250 diesel best choice I ever made to tow,carry camping stuff for my 2014 FC 28

Dave

[KJRitchie]

2011 is the first year of Ford's in house developed 6.7L diesel and you could expect teething problems. I think the design wasn't updated again until 2015 with different turbos.

Can you outline what CR said about the 2012 models?

Kelvin

[dayner]

Tow with 2011 Job 1, May 26, 2010 delivery. Over 100k miles. One exhaust sensor out of cal @ 60k miles... fixed under warranty. When it happened the CheckEng light just came on, nothing else, dealer fixed it. Tow lots more than the AS 28 FC & when towing it usually have about 1k# of tools, genset, & misc in truck bed. No issues with 6.7 other than torque tends to spin rear tires on quick starts with trailer attached...feather for first 50 ft or so until 2nd gear.

[Florida 55]

Some of the early 2011 6.7 diesels have experienced problems with valves breaking and destroying the engine. It is a $20,000 repair if you aren't covered by an extended warranty. There are numerous postings about this issue in the various Ford truck, Powestroke, and diesel engine forums. These forums also report build dates after 3/29/2011 have a new tougher valve.

I have a pre 3/29/2011 F-250 Lariat 4x4 with the 6.7 diesel. The only issue I've had in 45,000 miles is the DEF tank heater failing two years ago in Colorado when the temperature dropped below freezing. Ford paid for the $800 replacement of the DEF tank and heater under warranty. Otherwise I'm delighted with the performance of the engine and transmission. My biggest complaint about the vehicle is the Microsoft Sync system and the navigation system. Too many "You are entering an area with incomplete map data" warnings. I recently paid $250 to update the maps and saw no improvement. It is the worst navigation system I've ever had on a vehicle of any kind.

One other issue to be aware of on the current era Ford Super Duty trucks. A number of threads on this forum and the Ford truck forums address this problem. The stock Rancho shocks are junk. After reading numerous threads I recently upgraded to Bilstein 5100 shocks. The improvement in ride quality is significant. A much smoother ride.

[phlegm]

Ron,
To get real information about a truck, you'd have to get the VIN, pictures, and asking price. Get a CarFax.com report, and then I'd head over to the dealership and get a report from the dealership as to what work has been done on the vehicle. They can also get a complete build sheet/list of the options that came on the truck originally. Everything manufactured has good and bad examples, I read reviews knowing that complainers are louder than satisfied customers.

I am not an early adopter and tend to avoid the first year run of anything, and while I have heard good things about the 6.7L, I would avoid the 2011 year, from other posts the 2012 and up are better. If you buy that new, make certain that you get drivetrain warranty from somebody, and that it covers everything upto and including engine replacement. There haven't been a whole lot of years of those 6.7L motors being out of warranty (or any) so owners could still be biting their tongues as the dealerships absorb the warranty costs.

I prefer the PowerStroke.Org forums.
Ford Powerstroke "Scorpion" 6.7 2011-? Forums - Ford Powerstroke Diesel Forum

FWIW, I own a 'dreaded' 6.0, factory stock configuration. A 2005 that I have put 43k miles on since 2012 just rolled over 219k, no problems. And from the factory they do not have head studs, they have Torque To Yield (TTY) head bolts, and the biggest problem is the oil cooler getting plugged, monitor for signs that it is getting plugged, and shouldn't have any surprises.

-ron

[dayner]

FYI the valve breaking is almost exclusively limited to the derated (300 hp) chassis cab 6.7 and 550/650 medium duty trucks. The 300 hp engine is designed to operate in its max power range range 75% of the time as opposed to the pickup engine which is designed to operate at its max power range much less, hence the detune of the chassis cab mdt engine to extend operating life. Unfortunately, the deratimg tune is mainly just a program tune and the engine is easily up tuned to 400hp and above. Valve failures have occurred in uptuned 6.7 engines operated for long periods under heavy load. This is not intended to be your answer to all valve failures, but is indicative of what uptuning of either engine combined with operation outside of its design parameters can do to engine life. By far, the biggest concern of all modern high pressure common rail engines is water or otherwise contaminated fuel. VW, Ford, GM, and Ram are all common rail engines subject to extremely costly fuel system damage. When the 6.7 came out it suffered from the quality of fuel available, since that time the retail diesel fuel industry has cleaned up its act considerably although there still are occasional stations pumping water and trash. If you do purchase any late model (2011 up) you need to be slightly paranoid about what you put into your tank.

[carver 1]

Originally Posted by KJRitchie

2011 is the first year of Ford's in house developed 6.7L diesel and you could expect teething problems. I think the design wasn't updated again until 2015 with different turbos.

Can you outline what CR said about the 2012 models?

Kelvin

Wooops, My mistake, I read it too fast. It looks like the 12 has a better reliability record than the others listed. Thanks for prompting me to take a 2nd look

Consumer Reports April 2015 edition: Under used models to avoid, F-250 and F-350 (diesel) 05-08, 10-11, 13;

>>ron<<

[Florida 55]

Dayner

To your point about fuel I am somewhat paranoid about the fuel I put into my 6.7 diesel. I always use stations that pump high volumes of diesel. National branded truck stops (Pilot, Love's, Flying J, TSA) when on the road and a local station at home that many contractors and delivery trucks use. I change the fuel filter every 15,000 miles versus the 30,000 manufacturer schedule. I also check the water separator frequently.

The engine has remained stock. The oil is changed every 4000 to 5000 miles so I've never seen the computer indicate it is time for an oil change. I'm careful to let the engine run for 30 seconds or more before putting the truck in gear. I watch to make sure the engine is not in a regeneration cycle before I turn off the engine. Hopefully these precautions will prevent me from having an engine issue.

The diesel forums do have incidents where owners of early 2011 F250 and F350 models with the 6.7 engine have experienced valve failure. My 5 year, 100,000 mile powertrain warranty expires in May 2016, and I don't have an extended warranty, so I'll have to decide if I'm keeping my babied diesel or trading it in.

Another consideration for prospective new Ford truck purchasers is the upcoming 2017 model year major styling/body change to the Super Duty line. It is expected Ford will change much of the sheet metal to aluminum like it has done for the F150. For those who subscribe to the "don't buy the first year of anything philosophy", a 2015 or 2016 Super Duty may be more attractive than waiting until 2018. Plus, if you prefer a steel body to aluminum, and don't want to buy a Fiat (Ram) or General Motors diesel, the next 12 -15 months seems to be the time to buy.

[urnmor]

I have the 2012 6.7 Diesel Lariat and have had no problems with it. It is definitlely more powerful then what I need however it pulls like a charm on flats and hills.

Prior to the 6.7 Ford did have significant problems with their old diesel but because of those problem they did major fix to the engine. IMO they could not afford to have any more issues like they had with the old diesel. So I believe I benefited from the rework. I religiously maintain it and ensure all of the maintenance is performed when scheduled.

[KJRitchie]

Hmm, CR shows to avoid 2011 and 13. What did Ford change in 2013 model year. Looks like it got fixed in 2014/15.

BTW if you are concerned with payload a F250 6.7L CrewCab Lariat will have less than 2000lbs payload. Check the load sticker on the door to verify it meets your needs.

Kelvin

[tjdonahoe]

Quit worrying about and run it

[Plan-B]

I recently had to trade my 2011 6.7L f-250 in for another truck, took a whacking . The power, torque and engine braking were amazing. But the truck's dependability was always and constantly on the edge of me being able to implement the lemon laws. It was the worse nightmare and expensive experiment I have ever been up against. And this was after being one of those burned by the 6.0L bomb shell. Switched to RAM, after owning 8 Ford trucks, and not looking back. I am a convert��

[hhendrix]

Originally Posted by tjdonahoe

Quit worrying about and run it

I agree. I have a 2011 F250 with 67000 miles most towing a 8000lb Airstream and not a single problem. I change the oil every 5K, fuel filters ever 15K and trans oil every 25K. I've been to Alaska, Canada, and every state west of the Mississippi without a problem. Best truck I've ever had and I've had Chevy, Dodge, and Ford diesels since the mid 80's and until now they ALL had problems except the Ford 7.3

[phlegm]

Originally Posted by tjdonahoe

Quit worrying about and run it

Exactly.

Originally Posted by Plan-B

I recently had to trade my 2011 6.7L f-250 in for another truck, took a whacking . The power, torque and engine braking were amazing. But the truck's dependability was always and constantly on the edge of me being able to implement the lemon laws. It was the worse nightmare and expensive experiment I have ever been up against. And this was after being one of those burned by the 6.0L bomb shell.

How many miles? (on either/both)

Originally Posted by Plan-B

Switched to RAM, after owning 8 Ford trucks, and not looking back. I am a convert��

I'd love a Cummins.. engine physics, inline 6 has 120° of return of power on each stroke vs 90° on a V8 (v8's really are handicapped for torque/cu in) but they package nicely... if only the Cummins didn't have to be wrapped in the sheet metal of a Dodge.. erm, I mean RAM. I still find it stupid that they spun off the truck line and pretend that it is a new manufacturer; seems like something a company would do to bury skeletons, why ditch the heritage of the Dodge Brothers?

According to an acquaintance, he said not to buy any newer than 2007, claimed the power and mpg were both decreased due to regulations. He plans on 'downgrading' from his 2012 as soon as he finds a decent 2005-2007. Of course Your Mileage May Vary (YMMV).

[tjdonahoe]

I don't understand what was so great about the 7.3 in a ford. I owned a 92 ford 250, installed a turbo and set the pump up, it was good the cab was very uncomfortable , the dash brackets broke and it fell down, but ford had a $20 kit to fix it.at 188000 the right head. gasket started to leak antifreeze on the ground,and it went away.i bought a dodge 6.7 , an 07, drives good, lots of power and no more fords...

[phlegm]

Originally Posted by tjdonahoe

I don't understand what was so great about the 7.3 in a ford. I owned a 92 ford 250

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Power_Stroke_engine
you had a NON-powerstroke 7.3L; most people here are referring to the 1994-2002 PowerStroke versions.

[Moflash]

I traded my 2012 6.7 for a 2015 6.7 and I will say that there is a night and day difference in the truck overall.I had a few issues with the 2012 but nothing major.Ford took care of everything.

[r carl]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f3CAnH7WIM