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Old 07-09-2010, 05:40 PM   #15
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I agree. My 16 is on sunny days, wind at my back, and downhill, coasting. A more realistic number is around 13 to 14 in the hills of Rockies. Those numbers I use for calculating fuel stops. If I could be guaranteed 18...well maybe someday those nuclear assisted vehicles will come out.
Say, could you just combine pitstops... Fill er up, change da oil, and take a leak to take care of the urea????
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Old 07-09-2010, 05:47 PM   #16
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...Fill er up, change da oil, and take a leak to take care of the urea????
u can bet there will be guys TRYING this (or making home brewed DEF)

and eventually a tsb/notice will come from each truck maker HQ...

reading something like this...

"attention service departments, please stop looking for signs of chips and programmers and performance upgrades"...

"and start looking for pubic hair and smudge marks around the DEF fill port"...

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Old 07-09-2010, 05:47 PM   #17
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Over 12000 miles of towing the 'Stream, my '01 7.3L 'Stroke averages 12mpg. I've had as high as 14, and as low as 10. Hills and headwinds are killers. I keep the TV tires at 80psi (load range E) and the trailer tires at 65psi. I try to stick to 62mph, any more and she's drinkin' the diesel.

So yeah, I don't buy the 18mpg story either.
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Old 07-09-2010, 05:52 PM   #18
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I drove this truck last week... 350 Lariat weighed in at $61,000.00! I hate to think of the depreciation. I have to admit it was nice. The engine noise is on par with all the new quiet diesels and there is no smoke on accel. When looking under the hood it's busy... not sure how easy it is to work on but what can you fix these days anyways...

I think if one of these new engines is in my future I will wait a few years and see how they do long term. Let one of those car hauler guys torture it over the grapevine for two years and check in with him. Sounds like it could make a great used truck at a reasonable price.

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Thats my plan too Vinnie. My '01 is closing in on 200k miles. I figure I'll run her till she blows chunks, and that should be a few more years yet, then I'll upgrade to a lightly used 6.7L, assuming its a proven platform.
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Old 07-09-2010, 06:07 PM   #19
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2008 F250 4wd Super Duty Crew. We just returned from a 28 day trip, covered 5700 miles. Towing 23 ft AS FB. Average was 10.7 mpg based on number of gallons purchased divided into number of miles traveled.
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If I keep my foot out of it, I can get 13 pretty regularly while towing. I find that regen REALLY drives the mileage down.
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Old 07-13-2010, 08:27 PM   #21
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Good reason to keep the 2007 Powerstroke that gets 10 to 14 MPG towing depending on conditions. Also do not have to spend $50,000 to $60,000 to upgrade. WAY LESS EXPENSE even though the mileage may be a bit better with the new engine. Mine is paid for!

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Old 07-13-2010, 08:42 PM   #22
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Make sure you keep that Airfilter changed about every 3rd oil change or 30k miles,7.3's love lots of fresh air. I can tell when its getting dirty,I get sh-tty mileage. When I dont get 14 mpg in da city and 20 mpg on da highway.I know its time to take a look at that filter.
Towing I'll get 15to 17 depending on wind and terrain.
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who needs a creampuff!

i though u guys might enjoy this...

my 05 f250 is now listed 4sale at a rural dealership.

check out the ad, viDeo and photos...

it's sorta strange to see you own truck (till last week) listed by some1 else for sale...

scroll down, select FORDs, f250s, ang go the WHITE 05...

http://www.louisburg-ford.vinmanager...Inventory.aspx

i am NOT trying to help them sell it, just thought some here would enjoy the pictures...

since it'a a DAMN FINE LOOKING sludge burnin' noise make'n, bone shaker...

and while i accept being called meticulous, i sure didn't BABY that truck...

((they've also got an 05 gt for only 199,999.99, which i mighta purchased but the towing capacity is all wrong...))

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Old 07-13-2010, 11:28 PM   #24
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"i though u guys might enjoy this...

my 05 f250 is now listed 4sale at a rural dealership."


Im not the smartest guy in the pack but if your old truck is at the Ford dealership does that mean? .....
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I found two very low mileage 7.3(444 cid) from GSA. I CAN hot rod those "old tech" trucks, even with propane injection. My 9,600# '08 F-450 4x4 tows magnificently on wet mountain roads - the true test of safety; I think its tough LR F 19.5 inch tires help stability over 16-18 or 20 inch LR D/E tires.

Ford has to prove its new engines in many thousands of 500,000 useful miles in worktruck purgatory. Its IH 6.0/6.4 teething management lacked class. The new transmissions' gears and "tow/haul" mode are the key.

With so much torque and power plus 6 speeds of the 2011 project "Scorpion", < 3.5 rear end may pull AS' 3-4 tons through mountains perfectly.

I'll switch out all my trucks to 245/70 G x19.5 as bad as our highways/roads are getting. Maybe 215/70x17.5s on the Airstream. On three trucks, I've lost two LR E and one LR F tires on I-40 and US 69/75 in eastern Oklahoma this year.

$60,000+ is a sticker shock on unproven power plants...maybe a 2013 model in 2015 - if we're allowed to drive then. The EPA anti diesel policy is derived from bogus health risk data which they full well know.

BTW, my uneeded ueber-duty F-450 is for sale ($29,000) as it is better for 8-12 ton loads. My 2000 F-350 is fine for an overloaded 34' Pan American and the 2001 Excursion fine for any 2-axel AS.

If I could just fit a hot rod Cummins 8.3 into my trucks..., but for ~$10,000 a tuned 400hp/800#' Cummins 5.9 can perfect the pre-"Scorpion" Fords.

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u can bet there will be guys TRYING this (or making home brewed DEF)

and eventually a tsb/notice will come from each truck maker HQ...

reading something like this...

"attention service departments, please stop looking for signs of chips and programmers and performance upgrades"...

"and start looking for pubic hair and smudge marks around the DEF fill port"...

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My understanding is that the average alcohol level of an AS owner is too high for the urine to be used as DEF.
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Old 07-14-2010, 09:20 PM   #27
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"i though u guys might enjoy this...

my 05 f250 is now listed 4sale at a rural dealership."


Im not the smartest guy in the pack but if your old truck is at the Ford dealership does that mean? .....



. . sadly, another Ford is the likeliest tale.




18mpg towing?

sorry guys but eye dew knot b leave dat fig u r 4 1 second.
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AND this potentially wonderful new mota from ford.

there is NO credible evidence it will do better towing

than most of the other rigs poking a hole in the wind at 60-75 mph.



Actually I think someone will break over 18 in a diesel pickemup with a 7k aero trailer out on the flats . . but it will be under 60 mph, no unfavorable winds, over hundreds of miles, etc. And with lower horspower than the current crop on the dealer lots. There's a guy on ecomodder with (I hate to say) a Powerstroke going for 30 mpg right now while solo (his average is above 25 mpg, overall).

I noticed in reading a bunch of old Trailer Life tests from the early '70's that towing dropped mileage by 40% from solo which is also my experience . . and same for some modern tests from that magazine. Anyone noted the same? (Percentage drop)?

And we should speak, truly, only of averages while towing over thousands of miles. And the speed driven, on average.


XX-mpg over YYYYY-miles (non-winter conditions or fuel unless noted)
ZZ mph on the hourmeter
(with usual travel speed noted)
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...if your old truck is at the Ford dealership does that mean? .....
turns out it's NOT really at that dealership, or ANY dealership.

it apparently SOLD to another buyer several days ago.

they just haven't pulled the ad or pix yet.

the new buyer traded a 93 f-250 AND a recent toy-dra, PLUS cash...

for a real truck...

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