Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 09-09-2013, 03:34 PM   #1
2 Rivet Member
 
2006 25' Safari FB SE
Draper , Utah
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 57
Ford 150 Ecoboost with Max Tow vs. Big Butt Trailer

Okay guys and gals,
Looking at a F-150 Ecoboost Crew 4x4 4wd with max towing package, brake controller, etc.

3.5L v6
axle 3.73
GCWR 17,100
145 wheelbase
pulling at 11,200


Looking at trailer that comes in at :
8800 Lb. Axle System
9000 Lb. GVWR
6525 lb. UVW
790 hitch weight


Family is 3 plus dog (cover us at 450) allows for son to grow and one more to ride.


FYI, no experience here. First RV.

Thanks.
__________________

__________________
ShullsinUtah is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-09-2013, 03:49 PM   #2
Lost in America
 
mojo's Avatar
 
2015 27' FB International
2006 25' Safari FB SE
2004 19' International CCD
Oak Creek , Arizona
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 1,507
Check the door sticker for payload capacity, should be 1755 lbs. Then you can do the math. What model/year trailer? You are at 1240 lbs payload already, need to account for propane and gear in the truck plus any added acc. like bed cover/shell.
__________________

__________________
This is the strangest life I've ever known - J. Morrison

The Nest Egg - 2015 Airstream International Serenity 27FB
2017 Silverado 2500HD Chevy Duramax Diesel

mojo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-09-2013, 04:03 PM   #3
2 Rivet Member
 
2006 25' Safari FB SE
Draper , Utah
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 57
Thanks Mojo.
Have not bought either of them yet.
Husband really wants that Ford truck.
He was wondering if it would be too close to the max.

Any thoughts on how close is too close?

You live in the hills too, so question of pulling up and over would be of interest to us.

It is 2008 Classic 27 lb. I think it must be those Hickory doors everywhere making the weight go up. Not sure. I saw another AS at 28' that only weighed about 7300.
__________________
ShullsinUtah is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-09-2013, 09:00 PM   #4
Lost in America
 
mojo's Avatar
 
2015 27' FB International
2006 25' Safari FB SE
2004 19' International CCD
Oak Creek , Arizona
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 1,507
The Ecoboost will pull a 28' just fine and a turbo anything is great for altitude towing. The limiting factor is the payload capacity, you have to look at just how much stuff you will be loading in or on the truck.

Max is max and maybe then some with a WD hitch but then there are some folks who don't want to exceed 80% of max. All depends on your comfort level and the real weights at a truck scale.

Keep doing your homework and use the search function on the forums for more info on the ecoboost and your proposed trailer.
__________________
This is the strangest life I've ever known - J. Morrison

The Nest Egg - 2015 Airstream International Serenity 27FB
2017 Silverado 2500HD Chevy Duramax Diesel

mojo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-09-2013, 10:56 PM   #5
3 Rivet Member
 
911Patriot's Avatar
 
1991 29' Excella
Currently Looking...
Marco Island , Florida
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 162
Images: 42
Our 2011 F150 Ecoboost did great towing our '91 29' Excella all through UT, Yellowstone, Tetons and the Badlands!
__________________
911Patriot is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-09-2013, 11:17 PM   #6
2 Rivet Member
 
2006 25' Safari FB SE
Draper , Utah
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 57
Quote:
Originally Posted by 911Patriot View Post
Our 2011 F150 Ecoboost did great towing our '91 29' Excella all through UT, Yellowstone, Tetons and the Badlands!
What does your TT weigh?
__________________
ShullsinUtah is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2013, 01:13 AM   #7
Rivet Master
 
4RXLA's Avatar
 
1977 31' Excella 500
West Sacramento , California
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 533
Images: 33
Blog Entries: 12
I'd go with a F250 for the additional payload capacity.
__________________
4RXLA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2013, 06:15 AM   #8
Rivet Master
 
switz's Avatar

 
2014 31' Classic
2015 23' International
2013 25' FB International
Apache Junction , Arizona
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 4,799
Images: 8
When comparing the empty weights of the 27FB International vs the 27FB of the Classic, one notices that there is over 700 pounds of additional weight associated with going to solid wood cabinets versus the formica over some core material. That larger payload is not used by a larger fresh water tank as it has 39 gallons versus 54 gallons on the newer 27FB Classic models. That means the ability to put that much cargo into the trailer will be difficult given the limited storage areas unless you carry all cast iron camping equipment.

The big question is the payload number of the truck. The published trailer tongue weight is usually lower by three to four hundred pounds than what the scales report. Thus you could be close to 1500 pounds without anything else in the truck. Adding a camper shell to protect a generator or two, spare gasoline, camping supplies, cooler etc will only raise the payload requirement.

The twin turbo chargers provide plenty of pulling power at all altitudes. The issue is stopping. You are looking at the third highest GVW Airstream trailer of that time period. Only the 2011 tri-axle 34' at 11,500 pounds and the 31' Classic at 10,000 pounds were higher. That lower compression gasoline engine will not have the back pressure from an engine brake like a diesel to help slow descent in the mountains sparing constant application of the vehicle brakes.

I found out my existing planned TV lacked the front axle rating and GVW capacity to legally tow our new trailer after it was loaded for camping ands we still did not have generators or gasoline in the equation. That resulted in a 3/4 ton diesel pickup TV being added to the fleet of vehicles.

There is a lot of TV discussion here on this forum for a reason. Please spend some time reading and pushing the numbers before writing any checks. Note that 11,200 pound towing capacity is for an empty truck. That trailer towing capacity is reduced as you add payload to the truck.

Ask a lot of questions first rather than afterwards....
__________________
WBCCI Life Member 5123, AIR 70341, 4CU, WD9EMC

TV - 2012 Dodge 2500 4x4 Cummins HO, automatic, Centramatics, Kelderman level ride airbag suspension, bed shell

2014 31' Classic model 30 twin beds, 50 amp service, 900 watt solar system, Centramatics, Dill TPMS, disc brakes, 16" tires & wheels
switz is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2013, 06:34 AM   #9
4 Rivet Member
 
Luigi123's Avatar
 
2018 30' International
2014 30' Flying Cloud
Los alamos , New Mexico
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 321
I sold my f150 6.2 for a 3/4 diesel duramax/ Allison as I live at 7400 ft and many F150 owners in our town have done the same.
__________________
Luigi123 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2013, 07:00 AM   #10
Rivet Master
 
Aviator's Avatar

 
1997 34' Limited
1970 27' Overlander
South of Atlanta , Georgia
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 1,655
Images: 2
We tow our 34' with a normally aspirated 5.4L gas in a 2009 F150 and are very comfortable with the setup. I have not had it above 4000' elevation, but was towing up 12% grades for part of the climb.

Family of 4 plus dog. Trailer as loaded is about 7900#
__________________
Craig and Carol
1997 34' Excella 1000
1970 27' Overlander, International
2009 Ford F150 5.4L
ProPride hitch with 1400# bars

AIR 41028
TAC GA-8
WBCCI 10199
Past President Southeastern Camping Unit (12)
Aviator is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2013, 09:16 AM   #11
Rivet Master
 
aftermath's Avatar
 
2006 25' Safari FB SE
Spokane , Washington
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 1,134
Lots of good information here. I believe that your issue will be with payload as some have said. I am towing a 25FB with a Tundra and I am close to my payload limit. It pulls fine, the truck rides level and I feel comfortable with it. I wouldn't want to get any heavier with my current set up though.

As I understand, the Ford eco-boost is a very good truck AND can't you get some additional payload options when ordering? Going to a heavy duty kind of thing might just be the answer. The tongue weight is going to be heavier than what they post. I have two full propane tanks, two batteries and a spare tire on the tongue. Adds up fast.
__________________
aftermath is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2013, 09:57 AM   #12
Rivet Master
 
Howard L.'s Avatar
 
2012 30' Flying Cloud
San Antonio , Texas
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 591
Had a 2011 Chevy 1500 with the 6.2 403hp engine that I pulled our 2012 30 ft Flying Cloud with once. All trips since have been with a chevy 2500 Duramax 6.6. No comparison with the towing power, feeling of stability and safety, wear and tear on the engine and transmission, etc. That Eco Boost will do it, I wonder how long those 6 cylinders can take the twin turbo's forcing air down their throats? But it's a real personal thing. I'm still amazed with the number of people who love their Tundras. With your tow weight, you are really up there for a 1/2 ton TV.
__________________
Howard L. is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-10-2013, 10:13 AM   #13
Rivet Master
 
andreasduess's Avatar
 
1984 34' International
Toronto , Ontario
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 1,496
Images: 5
Blog Entries: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by Howard L. View Post
That Eco Boost will do it, I wonder how long those 6 cylinders can take the twin turbo's forcing air down their throats?
Steve measured hp output on his TV some time back. The highest he could get it was 110hp during sharp acceleration. Available power is not something I personally would worry about.

Properly set up, a smaller TV can be far more stable as many a large truck. Centre of gravity, sophistication of suspension design and a proper hitch will trump truck size every time.
__________________
andreasduess is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-17-2013, 04:47 PM   #14
Rivet Master
 
JFScheck's Avatar
 
Vintage Kin Owner
Rockville , Maryland
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,474
Images: 33
Until you can obtain the GVWR of a similar truck configured exactly as you are looking at you will never know.

Don't be a fool, purchase it based on the dealers word only to open the drivers side door and learn the truth a few days latter....
__________________

__________________
John "JFScheck" Scheck
2015 Roadtrek CS Adventurous XL
2015 Mercedes Sprinter 3500 XL Chassis with Mercedes BlueTec V6 Diesel
**I Love U.S.A.**
JFScheck is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by




Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 10:53 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

Airstream is a registered trademark of Airstream Inc. All rights reserved. Airstream trademark used under license to Social Knowledge LLC.