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Old 02-08-2015, 02:08 PM   #15
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If Ford keeps the cost of aluminum panel costs in line with the steel part then the cost should be similar, shouldn't they? Is painting an aluminum panel any different than steel?

I wonder how the insurance companies will rate a 2015 F150 vs a new 2014 F150 premiums? If the cost to repair an aluminum F150 is much higher the insurance premium should be higher.

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Aluminum is a lot harder to paint than steel....just ask anyone who has their trailer or MH quoted for paint. The chemicals needed to etch the aluminum to accept paint are very caustic and bloody expensive; that's why aircraft paint jobs are so crazy expensive.
If it's done on a mass scale with brand new aluminum like Ford is trying the costs maybe almost on par with steel, but for a body shop who's number one customer is steel, it can't be cheaper.

Insurance premiums are higher for the 2015 versus the same 2014 truck....I checked.

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Old 02-08-2015, 02:39 PM   #16
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I have painted a ton of aluminum, by sanding well I never did NEED to use the etching primer, although I did on a few projects.

What is going to make the bodywork more expensive is that the welding tools and techniques used on steel are going to be inadequate for aluminum.

Practically anyone can learn weld in a steel replacement panel rather quickly, not so with aluminum.... Aluminum welding requires a measure of skill,,, art,,, that many wont ever master.


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As a non-techie, but former claim adjuster, take these comments for what they're worth:

1. EVERY new production year costs more than the last for insurance because it is new, therefore the ins co will have to pay more in case of loss.

2. Until repair shops learn how to repair aluminum and become good at it (practice makes perfect?), it will take more labor hours to repair the same damage vs. steel.

3. Over time, with good driving habits (that is, not running into people or being run into by others), the alum body will hold up much better, not to mention fuel savings from the lighter body. In other words, our 1975 Ford P/U, which has never been in an accident, would still be in pretty good shape instead of a rusted out hulk. Runs great, just looks bad.

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There is no comparison to repairing an alum body that is exposed to the same that will be painted...Ret. body man
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I rather like stainless......




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Old 02-08-2015, 11:45 PM   #20
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3. Over time, with good driving habits (that is, not running into people or being run into by others), the alum body will hold up much better, not to mention fuel savings from the lighter body.
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Fuel savings from a marginally lighter body will also be marginal (some specs say ~80lbs difference between Alum Ford and Steel Chev).
Time will tell if the Al body will hold up better or if the paint will stay in good condition without extra care.
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Old 02-09-2015, 12:39 AM   #21
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Hi, you know, and I know, that anytime something is new or slightly different, people tend to charge more for working on them. As for repairing steel or aluminum, very few body parts are repaired. Most are replaced. That front fender that got smashed on your 1936 Ford was hammered out; The same thing on your 1996 Ford was replaced. Quarter panels are replaced more than repaired. How many hoods have you seen straightened out? Little thumb dents, different story. People will tend to discount or bad mouth Ford's Ecoboost engines and the aluminum bodies until their favorite brand starts doing the same thing. Then it will be a great idea! GM already has been playing with twin turbo 3.6 L V-6's.


Note: body repairs on Airstreams are outrages. Might be cheaper if the body panels were stamped out and were direct replacements. Every panel has to be custom made or made to fit.
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And this is while I like the 'first gen' Avalanches. That plastic cladding everyone seemed to love to hate on is flippin awesome for shrugging off damage.
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For What It's Worth: This "ding" in my aluminum Airstream cost $11,000 to repair Attachment 231964
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Instead of rusting out , it will probably corrode away especially in high salt areas.....
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I think an Aluminum TV is a great idea for us Airstream owners. We are all well versed with Filiform Corrosion. Just another couple cans of Corrosion X and we've got everything covered.
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I think an Aluminum TV is a great idea for us Airstream owners. We are all well versed with Filiform Corrosion. Just another couple cans of Corrosion X and we've got everything covered.
If the new fords corrode like airstreams I ain't bying one!
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Just don't drive it near the ocean or where they salt the roads.
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Old 02-11-2015, 09:07 PM   #28
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I think an Aluminum TV is a great idea for us Airstream owners. We are all well versed with Filiform Corrosion. Just another couple cans of Corrosion X and we've got everything covered.

I doubt you will EVER see a corroded out ford f-150 in the next 50 yrs. The alum is military grade, not airstream grade.

you guys are getting ridiculous with this alum body stuff.. The truck or a prototype of the truck ran the baja 1000 with the same alum parts used on the production model you see today.. of the 300 trucks that started only half made it to the end.. one of them was the F-150, then it was driven back to dearborn mich.

Ford’s Epic Gamble: The inside story - Fortune

give it a read..
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