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Old 01-17-2010, 09:24 AM   #1
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FJ Cruiser towing 23' safari LS..

There was an article in an old issue of Trailer Life magazine (Dec 2007) called "Reverse Migration" on page 39. It was about a trip he took towing the trailer in the winter through Mount Bachelor near Bend Oregon.
I couldn't help but laugh..about what's the straight scoope about the FJ's towing capabilities. When under the towing section of this forum they warn about even towing a 19 footer with this rig. The 23 footer dry weighs around 4500 lbs, the FJ is rated to tow 5000. I was wondering about anyone else's opinion on this matter.. The article only indicated the FJ was very capable, said nothing about performance or what kind of hitch he had, it mostly talked about the trip in the area and showed a pic towing the trailer in the snow with snow chains on the rear. To me.. sure looks capable. And has the hp over my old V8 Tahoe and more torque even though the the wheel base is less. I know most of you are all gun shy of short wheel base vehicles..
Question...does anyone know how the FJ cools the tranny oil, either it be a internal cooler in the radiator or some kind of an external cooler. After all it's capable of 5000 lbs, so it must have something..
Any feedback on this??
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Old 01-17-2010, 09:36 AM   #2
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The 23' dry weighs around 5000 lbs - not 4500 - and top loaded weight is 6000. I have one and wouldn't even consider trying to tow it with a FJ Cruiser.
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many threads on this rig and combo....

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f463...ccd-44204.html

there are enthusiast forums specifically for the modern fj...

u will find info about many folks towing crazy combos, happily with it.

and info on the driveline/mechanical details on those sites too.

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Old 01-17-2010, 12:20 PM   #4
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According to the 2007 airstream 75th anniv edition of their catalog, the 23' safari LS UBW dry wt, right from the book is : 4,460 lbs.
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I pull a 2006 22' CCD with a full size pickup. I know I feel better having a truck the is heaver than my trailer. I can stop it when I want and I can pull it up any grade. The fj might be able to pull a 23' trailer but is it smart? To often what one person does on the road affects many people.
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Old 01-17-2010, 01:47 PM   #6
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Honestly, I'd be happier and feel more secure pulling a 23FB with my Honda Odyssey (3500lb tow limit, low to the ground, very long wheelbase, upgraded hitch and coolers) than with a FJ Cruiser (5000lb limit, shorter wheelbase, higher CG).

Or for that matter, a Tacoma could be configured to be great off-road and has the 5000 lb tow limit. Doesn't look as cool as a FJ though (but you can see out of the Tacoma)...

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According to the subject line we're talking about a 23' Safari/Flying Cloud. They weigh more than the International CCD.
But if it were me I wouldn't attempt to tow either one with a FJ Cruiser.
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Old 01-17-2010, 04:40 PM   #8
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I wrote TL about that combo and their reply was that it was a travel article and not a technical performance article. WEAK. They represented a combo that by any standard would not be supported by most members of this forum. I was disappointed that TL would publish it dispite how cool it looks.
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I tow with a 2008 Tundra with the 5.7 L & Auto. It is a terrific TV FOR OUR MISSION (we have a 19' Bambi). The Toyota line is very capable, but the real question to me (as briefly mentioned above) is not if the FJ is ABLE to pull it, but HOW it may respond. I once came upon a pretty healthy sized rig being towed by a pretty small TV and it was "jack-knifed" in a ditch. The TV was just too light and the trailer simply was too heavy... The combo left the poor guy in the ditch on a slippery road. The slippery road in this case was just wet, not icy!

For my money I would prefer to have plenty of heft in the TV. Obviously, a great hitch system would help this problem, but there just isn't any substitute for weight and wheel-base!

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Is there a report from someone who actually uses an FJ and Airstream combo?
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Honestly, I'd be happier and feel more secure pulling a 23FB with my Honda Odyssey (3500lb tow limit, low to the ground, very long wheelbase, upgraded hitch and coolers) than with a FJ Cruiser (5000lb limit, shorter wheelbase, higher CG).

Or for that matter, a Tacoma could be configured to be great off-road and has the 5000 lb tow limit. Doesn't look as cool as a FJ though (but you can see out of the Tacoma)...

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Actually your wrong about the Tacoma's towing rating. I have one and it's 6100lbs. It really isn't towing anyway. It's stopping. I have a 19 ft Bambi and I can tow and stop it comfortably in almost all conditions. In fact it doesn't even feel like I am towing anything unless I have to stop fast or climb a steep incline. Im not sure how big the brakes are on an Odyssey but my bet is not very. Stopping is the key especially if you have to drive through So California on you way to or from a destination. No shortage of idiots cutting in front of you and slamming on the brakes for no good reason.
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I tow with an FJ Cruiser and have a 22 Argosy 3360 lbs (modified is 3475) and loaded is 4050 lbs. The FJ is only 5" shorter than a Ford Expedition but the wheel track is very wide making it very stable, like a box. Acceleration is brisk even up hills of the Alleghanies and braking is left to the Tekonsha P3, when set right works very well. I get 16 mpg and cruise at 60 at 1650 rpm. If you have a trailer that will fall about 80% of the TV capacity you will be a happy camper, if not then it's tougher on the TV. Remember the tow capacity is the MAX and the combined GVWR is necessary. To many folks figure you can go 10% over, try lugging 20LBs up a flight of stairs and feel the difference. An example a 5000 tow capacity vehicle may have a 9500 total weight available and if the TV weighs 4200 empty you better be around 185 lbs, be by yourself with a half tank of gas and maybe a small cooler and a toothbrush if the trailer comes in at 5,000 lbs loaded.
Most people carry a significant other, maybe a couple kids, and 300 lbs of stuff, fill er up and don't forget 3 cases of soda and beer. I've heard, gee this thing is like a dog and gets 8 mpg somethings wrong maybe I need a tune up.
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I tow my 60 Pacer with my 2009 FJ Cruiser with no problems. Then again my Pacer doesnt have any tanks and is much lighter than the newer models. Ive had no problems with the power of the FJ and the look is great! I have the stock tow package and have thought about getting an additonal cooler at some point.
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