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Old 02-26-2013, 09:00 PM   #1
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First Oil change before towing?

Hello everyone. So I have exhausted myself reading about if I really need to have 1st oil change done before I tow. I recently bought a new 2013 Silverado 2500HD with a 6.0 gas engine and have about 1,200 miles on it. I am planning on picking up the Airstream we bought on Monday and someone mentioned to me that I should have the engine oil changed before I tow. I called up the dealer and they said that it was not necessary and that there is not any break in oil used in the truck. I see some information on this forum and also on the web going both ways as far as if it is needed or not so I wanted to pose the question here and see if this is really needed in modern trucks.

i would be towing it about 350 miles home.

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Absolutely unneeded... change it at the recommended interval. That engine will be loafing pulling your trailer.

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I always change oil after the first 1000. Might be old school, but just in case the block wasn't spanky clean after assembly, I want to be sure. Also there are a lot of micro metal particles created by the seating of the rings, etc. Most are caught by the filter, but some may be too small to be caught by it.

I'd change it whether towing or not....then use the oil life monitor from here on out.
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Change it, you'll have peace of mind. It doesn't cost that much and then you'll never second guess yourself.
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Another old schooler....first at 1500mi.

Our schedule... 6k intervals with Amsoil 5-30 Signature Series synthetic.
Go with a name brand "full" synthetic.

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If you're going to run synthetic, make sure to use a factory-approved one.

When I bought my Jetta TDI which runs synthetic from the factory, they told me to run 10K miles on the first and every change.

Our 1996 Powerstroke has 3k to 5k intervals on oil changes; that's what it's always gotten. It now has 185k miles, and has had one water pump, one power steering hose and a leaking fuel sensor ($30).

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What Bart said....With your Chevy, a Dexos spec oil 5w-30 is required. Look for the little green Dexos label. Mobil 1 5w-30 is the most common, and what I use.
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I always change oil after the first 1000. Might be old school, but just in case the block wasn't spanky clean after assembly, I want to be sure. Also there are a lot of micro metal particles created by the seating of the rings, etc. Most are caught by the filter, but some may be too small to be caught by it.

I'd change it whether towing or not....then use the oil life monitor from here on out.
The oil filter element traps particles measured in the micron range. 25 microns is a thousandth of an inch, as is the typical clearance between moving parts in an engine.

An oil filter that meets ISO 4548-12 will filter out all particles over 15 microns, over 85% of particles smaller than 15 microns, and about 70% of particles smaller than 7 microns.

Your oil filter will trap any particles that could damage your engine, so chaniging the oil sooner than manufactuer's recommendations is a waste of money.

A simple oil analysis test that you can do at home, to see if your oil needs changing ahead of schedule, which I found in a back issue of Machinery Lubrication magazine, a trade magazine I subscribe to because of my job: Take a drop of oil, and place it on a small piece of glass. A microscope slide is good. Lay another piece of glass on top. Press the two pieces together in your hands, and rotate the two pieces of glass , one clockwaise, the other counterclockwise. Wash off the oil, and look at the glass closely. If you see circular scratches in the glass, then you've got particles big enough to justify an oil change. Many companies pay laboratories big bucks for them to do exactly the same oil analysis once a quarter.

Also, if your engine ever overheats, change the oil right away; excess heat causes some of the volatile compounds in the oil to turn to a type of varnish that can do long-term damage to moving parts if the oil isn't replaced right away.
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Hi Thomas,

Congrats on the new tow vehicle and Airstream. Manufacturing processes and oil technology has changed dramatically in recent years. The once "standard" of changing your pile the first 500 to 1,000 miles is not recommended as routine much anymore.

I would follow the dealer recommendation, and the owner's manual unless there is some compelling reason to trust the word of someone else.

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Old 02-27-2013, 06:57 AM   #10
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Yes the oil filter will trap most junk in the oil but many times they go into bypass when the engine is cold or if the filter is full. Also all the unfiltered oil goes through the oil pump and can damage it. I think it is a good idea to change oil in any new engine before 1000 miles just to get the crap out of the oil from the break in process. Yes even new engines need to break in although the amount of junk from the break in process is less. I have taken engines apart that had eaten a bit of metal and it damaged the oil pump and some of it got to the crank bearings. Oil filters are not 100%. The manufacture does not have a financial interest in making your engine last as long as possible. If you are one of those people who can afford to buy a new truck every few years, it does not matter how you treat is. It will be the next guy's problem. There is all kinds of junk in a new engine.

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I think it is a good idea to change oil in any new engine before 1000 miles just to get the crap out of the oil from the break in process.
Have you ever had a problem from NOT changing the oil after just 1000 miles? If so, I can understand your opinion.

I haven't had a problem like that, and as a mechanical engineer I deal with engines all the time, not just in my vehicles but also at various civil works projects I'm responsible for. Oil analysis always tells the tale. No particles showing up in the scratch test means that the filter is still working exactly as it should and there's no problem with junk in the oil, because all of the junk is still trapped in the filter where it's supposed to be.
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I am of the waste of $$ school.
The internal parts of your motor are likely to last 250,000+ miles regardless of the first oil change.
Most likely that will be 15+ years out, long after you have traded your truck.
Save your $$ for the many things that do wear out over the years like power windows, power steering pumps, suspension, ect.
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Yes, in the distant past I have seen issues. Albeit rarely. Mostly with sand cast Iron components.
Not as big an issue with Cast aluminum, due to lost foam casting practices.

The issue with the filter is this. During break-in of freshly machined surfaces there is a higher amount of shedding of metal particles. They are indeed mostly trapped by the filter...and I doubt there is enough to even come close to causing a bypass valve to open (except in very cold temps maybe). But as those sharp particles sit embedded in the filter material they vibrate or move around under oil pressure and flow, they can cut their way through the filter medium. This takes some time, but with many applications of the OLM, you may go 7500 - as much as 12,000 miles before the Change oil light comes on. That may be enough time for these particles to work their way through the filter medium.

That's why I like to get the bulk of the break-in particles out at about 1000 miles.
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The issue with the filter is this. During break-in of freshly machined surfaces there is a higher amount of shedding of metal particles. They are indeed mostly trapped by the filter...and I doubt there is enough to even come close to causing a bypass valve to open (except in very cold temps maybe). But as those sharp particles sit embedded in the filter material they vibrate or move around under oil pressure and flow, they can cut their way through the filter medium. This takes some time, but with many applications of the OLM, you may go 7500 - as much as 12,000 miles before the Change oil light comes on. That may be enough time for these particles to work their way through the filter medium.
Okay. Makes sense. Dumb question timeÖ Why not just change the filter early and top off the oil to replace what was lost in the filter change? Accomplishes the same thing, cheaper and with less waste oil to discard.
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