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Old 04-25-2011, 11:44 AM   #57
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anyone have experience towing with a Mazda B4000 or Toyota Tacoma? I saw these rated for 5000 lbs .
Also what about Jeep Cherokee?
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Old 04-25-2011, 12:06 PM   #58
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I'm getting 13 to 15 with 2 kayaks and 2 bicycles in the bed. Going no faster than 63 or 64 mph. Thats calculating the manual "fill the tank to the same spot" method although my computer calculated mpg is pretty dam close.
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Old 04-27-2011, 02:52 AM   #59
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We have set up plenty of B4000 / Rangers and Tacoma's. With the right axle ratio's and tire sizes they perform very well but fuel economy on the highway or towing is not dramatically better than the more fuel effiecient full size trucks such as the 4.8 Litre GM's. I would guess that a new Ford with the 3.7 Litre motor would give about the same mileage as a the smaller trucks just becasue the drivetrain is so much more effiecient.

The Jeep Cherokee is a really nice vehicle but at the moment I would likely go with a Traverse or an Edge/Flex for the 6 speed transmission until the Jeep gets the 8 speed.

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I calculated my cost of fuel at 3.70 a gallon, using my V10 Ford. Then I caclulated for a vehicle that gets 17 mpg in town, and one that gets 30. Of course the 30mpg one will not be used to tow. I save about $1000 a year going to a 30mpg. SO; I am gonna buy an old Miata to drive to work, keep the truck for trailer towing and use it only when needed. Seems like a plan.
Alan........Our 250 V-10 is an 03 with 43K on it used pretty much as you describe above since new.........For the everyday vehicle it's either the Pilot at 22 MPG or a 75 R90 BMW that gets 48 mpg. lololol.....doesnt matter which to wear out as they are all paid for, primo, and well maintained...........At any rate for me, to park the truck and use something else has always paid off well.............God bless.....Dennis
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Old 04-28-2011, 12:43 PM   #61
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I see a lot of people use a truck to tow and otherwise park it. I like to drive the truck—the interior is large, it's much easier to get into or out of for me because of a back injury, and I can see better on the road. Gas mileage sucks, but when I compute it per year vs. other vehicles, it is not that much different that I want to struggle to get in and out of a small car.

Our 4Runner seems small by comparison, and we talk endlessly about what we would replace it with. It would have to be easy to enter and exit, be bullet proof so far as reliability and get good gas mileage. It, of course, would not be for towing. We keep thinking about the Subaru Forester—somewhat better gas mileage, though not strikingly so. Cargo space is somewhat less though, but very good reliability. But the 4Runner is holding up well, so we may just drive it until it turns to dust.

We used to keep vehicles 9 or 10 years, but have been closer to 5 or 6 years recently. It's at about 6+ years that vehicles start looking old in our experience and their value starts to drop fast, so it has seemed a good idea to sell them—this may be a rationalization because we both like to buy a new car or truck.

As for a new tow vehicle, that's years away (unless we go crazy), but the Ford 6 that claims significant gas mileage improvement is intriguing and we will see how that works out as people get experience with it. The Tundra is due for a significant update and we will see what that would be. I'd like to see Toyota produce the quality they used to, significantly increase gas mileage and gas tank capacity and make a 3/4 ton.

Though we would like a hybrid, most are small cars and that doesn't work for me. The Toyota Highlander is just a station wagon (they claim it's an SUV) with very high prices for the hybrid and not particularly good gas mileage.

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Old 04-28-2011, 07:06 PM   #62
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I'm contemplating purchasing a friend's 1996 Roadmaster wagon to tow with...
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With good new shocks, the Roadmaster should have no trouble towing the GT, but you may find that old Roadmasters shed interior plastic like a cat sheds fur. It's probably not as bad in cool northern CA as it is down here in hot country, though. Old GM plastic that's been in the Texas heat for most of its life is crappy stuff, and there's a LOT of plastic in a '96 Roadmaster. I don't know how much of that is heat and how much is just age.
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... but you may find that old Roadmasters shed interior plastic like a cat sheds fur. ...
Thats's pretty funny- I have seen that with other cars from TX or southern CA, the sun bakes them, plastic shrinks and discolors in a way you don't see here. This car has been garaged all its life, but I haven't seen it in person yet.
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I get between 15 and 17 towing my 1992 25' excella. I have been considering doing something to improve the ride. Anyone tried suspension enhancements e.g. air bags or helper springs. My truck is quite noisy but it is in such good shape. I have had the front end rebuilt and used the best shocks I can find. New trucks do ride smoother but 40,000 will buy a lot of trips.
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Old 03-17-2012, 12:26 AM   #66
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My tow vehicle is an 08 Tundra 2wd double cab. I only drive it when I am towing the Airstream or need it to carry big stuff in the bed. I never drive it unless I need to because it uses more fuel than my car (2002 BMW 330 coupe @ 26 mpg) and it is just too big- also too hard to park and visibility is bad when I have the cap on.

When driving on the road, without towing, I get 18-19 mpg easily. I consider this pretty good for a huge truck that pushes a lot of air. Towing the Airstream I get 13-14 mpg. The 2wd helps and I have the big 5.7L V8 with the 6 speed transmission. It is only turning 1,600 rpm at 60 mph. I tow at about 60 mph and drive very gently. The truck does not downshift very often as it has a lot of torque.

I hope to get 300-400K miles out of my Tundra since there does not seem to be much strain on the motor towing my Tradewind and the motor is only turning 1600 rpm @ 60 mph. We will see. I only have 38k miles and the only warranty work so far was replacing the radio.

I love the truck. It looks good, has been very reliable, large back seat, comfortable, good ride, 6.5 ft bed, reasonable turning radius, lots of power and torque, great 6 speed transmission, easy to manually shift (on the floor), quiet and reasonable fuel economy. My only dislikes are the lousy electronic limited slip differential and that it is HUGE. I wish a mechanical locking rear differential was available. If I bought a new truck this year I just might replace it with the same truck, although I would also consider the F150 with the max payload option.

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Old 03-17-2012, 01:29 AM   #67
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We have the same Tundra, 08 extra cab (not the really big one) but with the V6. It's a work truck used by a construction foreman during the week, and I tow with it when necessary. I have to say, I wish we had bought the V8. The V6 is okay with our 2850 pound Globetrotter, but it labors on the hills and I think the mileage must suffer, perhaps more than with an 8. Otherwise, the truck is great for towing. Its fine living in the country, but I took it to San Francisco yesterday, and it's a handful to park. The quality isn't up to the old Toyota standards, and Toyota was nightmarish to deal with for stupid warranty work. Our Honda Ridgeline is better put together and more comfortable, and we're going to set it up to tow too. I just can't see getting a bigger beast of a truck to drive all the time, or to just use part time for towing.
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My neighbor is 'testing' one of, 16ish in the country, a Chrysler Electric Hemi. He is impressed with it so far.

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I get between 15 and 17 towing my 1992 25' excella. I have been considering doing something to improve the ride. Anyone tried suspension enhancements e.g. air bags or helper springs. My truck is quite noisy but it is in such good shape. I have had the front end rebuilt and used the best shocks I can find. New trucks do ride smoother but 40,000 will buy a lot of trips.
Let's try a few basics, first, as N-V-H has a ton of overlap:

1] Have you dialled in the WDH on a certified scale?

2] Have you, with those scale readings, perfected tire pressures on the TV (as TT tires need always be at sidewall maximum)?

3] Have you gone over the rear spring leaf packs (disassembled, and installed new fasteners, parts as needed)?

4] If the front end was rebuilt did this include polyurethane bushings on the anti-roll bar (same for rear bar if so equipped; add one, IMO, if not).

5] Were body-to-frame bushings replaced? Motor mounts?

6] Is there any slack in the steering (from interior outward to wheels)? Driveshaft balance & u-joints?

7] Have you upgraded [R&R'd] cab insulation? Weatherstripping?

It is a verity that a quiet cab can "suffer" from some ride harshness, but that a loud cab magnifies every crack in the road. IOW, a quiet cab can have a slightly harsher ride and be judged the better ride than a noisy one with a slightly softer ride.

Your truck is ancient. At least, all the rubber is. I'd start there, as airbags, etc, won't address the problem, and as a bandaid won't offer what you need. They'll add nothing in terms of towing improvements.

Focus on restoring the truck to new in the above terms (and more inclusively). Chase down "quiet" and then isolate out the "rough". See http://www.atpwrap.com/html/dodgeram.html for noise abatement after hitch, tire, steering and rubber replacement.

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This is what my neighbor is test driving for a few months for the fire dept. 2015 Ram 1500 PHEV

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