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Old 04-21-2011, 10:18 PM   #29
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The Ridgeline drives a heck of a lot better Avalanche (who thinks up these GM names?), maybe the shrinkage tightens it up! I had an Element too, it was an awesome car, but didn't need that and a small car, so I sold it to my sister in law and bought a Dart GT convertible.
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Old 04-22-2011, 01:10 PM   #30
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I looked locally for the Ridgeline, but nothing used has caught my eye yet.
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Old 04-22-2011, 01:49 PM   #31
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We just returned from a 5 month, 12k mile trip with our 2006 Tundra crew cab. Will do 14 mpg gasoline with easy driving. It handles the trailer nicely, shifting down and reducing speeds up and down steep grades. My take on trucks that pull trailers up mountains "like its not even there" are oversized and wasteful, and not necessarily safer. I would much prefer a smaller vehicle than the Tundra for everyday driving, parking, exploring when trailer not attached.

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Old 04-22-2011, 02:18 PM   #32
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Call the tow police...

I am sure to get flak for this from the tow police, but we have been towing our International 23D with an 06 Jeep Liberty CRD w/2.8L diesel. It has a 750lb max tongue weight, 64 sq ft frontal area limit and a rating of 5000lbs (which we are close to).

We have only done about 1000 miles so far, but we are averaging 15+mpg @65mph in the hill country of central Texas. Unhitched, the libby will get 25+mpg.

I would expect that the larger Grand Cherokee with the 3.0 CRD would get similar numbers towing and not much worse when unhitched.

This is a particularly interesting thread since I am kicking around the notion of replacing the libby with a truck so I can drag a dirt bike or two along. Otherwise, it does a great job.
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Old 04-22-2011, 07:09 PM   #33
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I wanted some kind of vintage car to tow with, ours is a small trailer, but when there is rain and mud and hitch leveling arms and the wheel and stuff to toss somewhere, I actually like having a truck. We flip up the seats in back, have the dog crate and other stuff in there for towing. (Ok, its a crate for a Jack Russell terrier) The Ridgeline does the same, but with the trunk in the bed too. I don't know about milage- the Ridgline gets 17 or so, narrow and twisty driving always, but better than the 13 the 4WD Ranger it replaced used to get.
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Old 04-22-2011, 07:51 PM   #34
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I was a Jeep sales manager for a few years. The GC is a great vehicle, but you need the V8 to do any real towing. I think the 6 would be straining on 5000lbs or more. h
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Old 04-22-2011, 08:48 PM   #35
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We just received a 2011 Dodge Caravan with the new 3.6 Litre engine and 6 Speed automatic. I drove it to Jackson Centre to pick up a new 30' Serenity on Wednesday.

Solo driving at 75 MPH it turned in 26.4 MPG US 8.9 L/100km this was with a slight head wind which I was quite impressed with as this is a large roomy vehicle. Towing the Airstream home from JC there was a 25 mph with gusts to 40 mph cross wind which had to affect mileage somewhat. Towing at 65 mph it turned in 13.4 MPG. This is a very stable tow vehicle and you cannot beat the price of them. The biggest advantange mileage wise is that as solo day to day vehicle with a lot of stops and starts it still turns 18 MPG.

The best fuel mileage still comes with a car since they push the least air. Our Jetta diesel gives amazing mileage 40+ solo on the highway and close to 30 in around town driving. towing an Airstream it runs 22-25 MPG. Unfortunately the 2011 Jetta no longer has independent rear suspension so I doubt it is as stable as the 2010 we have. However the 2012 Passatt looks like it will be much better. dimensionally it is about the same size as the Intrepids that we towed with for so many years.

I would like to try a BMW 3 Series with their 3 Litre diesel. I think it would be an amazing and economical tow vehicle. Just a little pricy to get into.

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Old 04-22-2011, 09:17 PM   #36
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However the 2012 Passatt looks like it will be much better. dimensionally it is about the same size as the Intrepids that we towed with for so many years.

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Wow, the new Passat's are large compared to the older models.

A Google search reveals the proposed specs... the all-new Passat offers three drivetrain options:

2.5L gasoline five cylinder engine,
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3.6L VR6 gasoline engine.

The four cylinder 2.0L TDI “clean diesel similar to the one currently offered in the 2011 Jettta and Golf offers 140 hp and 236 lb.-ft. of torque.

With the power of a six cylinder gas engine and the fuel economy of a hybrid. The Passat TDI is with 43 miles per gallon on the highway, will surely be a major hit in the mid-size segment.

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Old 04-22-2011, 09:29 PM   #37
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Curious if VW will "decontent" the Passat the way they did the Jetta.
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Please bring down my 'theory' on this subject. Our TV is a 1971 Buick convertible. I'm 'lucky' to get 8 mpg when towing, yes and on premium fuel, and would love to not reduce our children's inheritance with these outragous fuel costs. BUT..the car is in great condition, PAID for, low insurance and low Ca, registration fee's AND the car payments etc. I believe that the cost of the fuel I'm paying for still won't equal the purchase of a new vehicle and it's inherant costs, insurance, registration and eventual service costs.
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Did you do the calculation? It's like one of those retirement calculations, since the first question will have to be "How long until you have to stop trailering?"
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Old 04-23-2011, 02:21 PM   #42
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Arbitrary but let's list those that get over 14MPG towing.
I get well over 14 if I leave the trailer at home.

Your trailer should be pretty light, so I can't see why you'd need a diesel—costs more and more maintenance and it will take many years to break even. But … you may be able to put your trailer in the truck bed if you get a big enough diesel.

Real world experience is valuable input, but see what your trailer weighs packed to the max, and check out towing and payload ratings for the type of vehicles you are interested in to narrow the search. Check on vehicle reliability since breaking down somewhere may cost more than saving a little money on gas mileage.

Also, check how much you will save between vehicles with different gas mileage ratings considering how much you drive—often, it is not as much as you think.

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