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Old 09-07-2016, 08:02 PM   #15
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These are great comparisons for others to follow!

I am just learning and have nothing to add, other than from my current learning curve. Give me a couple years and I will have a handle on all of this.

The 3.55 locking axle seemed reasonable for a truck of this size, although I may have to dig a bit deeper to know if that is what I have on the window sticker. There could be a 'button' I have yet to discover to do something...

As I discover more about this truck, I may as well get it out on this Thread.

I found one thing that I am working with. With the snug top, the tail gate has lots of air showing and 'sucks the dust' into the bed. Will find some way to stick some strips of dense foam rubber and slow down the excess dust being removed from the country roads.

Six speed transmission and as I recall when doing highway speeds, I am in fifth. Will pay more attention as I learn... I found flying an TH55A Helicopter at Ft. Wolters, Texas in 1969 easier to handle! ( I also get Motion Sickness...)
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Old 09-07-2016, 08:03 PM   #16
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F350- 4x4- 6.7L Diesel- Short Bed- Snug Top- 25' International

My first tow vehicle for our 28ft International was a New 2010 F150 SuperCrew 4x4 Supercrew.I t pulled ok but was on the edge of payload capacity and I was not comfortable towing with it after 15000 miles of towing I traded for a new 2012 F350 6.7td Supercrew Lwb 4x4 and wow what a difference in the towing experience.It felt a lot comfortable towing in the mountains and never feels taxed in any towing situation.
After 39000 miles traded I for a new 2015 in the same configuration and it was even better quieter, more power and rode even better.Fuel economy dropped on the 2015 due to larger turbo and increased injectors but the added power is fun.


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Old 09-07-2016, 08:31 PM   #17
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Caution: dodge owners lie about mpg..."
What, I thought that was all brand owners. I have towed over the last 30 years with nearly every version of TV. On average 60-65 pretty good (14-16). 65-70 not so good (12-14), 75+ bad 1(10-12). There are just so many variables; wind, elevation, grades, traffic, fuel quality, height of rear tow vehicle, distance from rear of TV to trailer front, how close you are willing to tail a semi, etc., etc.. Even with my lighter ML350 and 25'FB it was about the same as my current 2500 and 30' Bunk. Drag including wind verses speed is the main factor. Probably could get 17 at a steady 50.
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Old 09-08-2016, 11:16 AM   #18
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One last comment and I will shut up.

The Ford's interior made my 2012 Tundra appear... plain and Spartan. The Ford has more computer options built within and will take some time to understand.

The Tundra's GPS was superior showing small National Forest and BLM roads when Off the Grid. The Ford was not very detailed in that area... yet. Could be an upgrade or one of many computer settings.

The F150 with Eco Boost was very impressive, but the Cargo Limit was what forced me to step into the 3/4 to 1 ton Fords. For a smaller Airstream the F150 has plenty of power with the V6 Eco Boost. Just watch the Cargo Limit. The suspension will take a toll if you tow a lot. I would have been better keeping with the large Tundra's with the 5.7L gas versus the F150.
I thought a 25 footer was one of the smaller Airstreams. However if you are usually carry over 2,000 lbs of cargo that would cancel out any half ton for sure.
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Old 09-08-2016, 11:31 AM   #19
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I love the comparison of the Tundra and Ford F350.
I still love my Tundra and won't be trading.
I know the Tundra is maxed out on payload, but I live in a flat land area.
There are still features of the Tundra I like better- rear seat room and larger, wider opening rear doors.
I love my rig despite the drawbacks.
6 years towing first a 28' then a 30' with the Tundra and I am still happy.
I actually prefer the interior styling of the Tundra. Maybe I like simple and plain.
The entire ownership and dealership experience has been exceptional with Toyota.
I guess I am very brand loyal and just not likely to buy anything other than Toyota unless it is a Lexus or maybe Honda.
Maybe you should have waited for the all new 2017 Superduty?
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Old 09-08-2016, 11:52 AM   #20
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I too am lucky enough to have a wife that green lighted the purchase of a diesel.(Only a little reservation). So I IMMEDIATELY ran to the local dealer and picked up our 2015 F-250 Lariat 4x4 Turbodiesel.

On our first long trip ( So Cal to Yellowstone) she drove some pretty long legs towing our 2015 27' FC. I still remember her smiling as she said "Why would we have bought anything else?" She was towing on a minimum 6% grade at 72mph in speed control😘 Her favorite feature is the engine braking capability "Look honey I'm not even touching the brakes! ".

We never worry about overloading! With 21,000 miles booked since May 2015 we are getting a consistent and honest 13-14 mpg towing. We drive lots of highway at 70mph but all trips are to mountain destinations so lots of climbing and descending. I do some grocery getting and mileage suffers to about 12mpg as it takes some oomph to get this 6500 pounder rolling.

My opinion...if for no other reason buy a Heavy duty (Any brand) TV for YOUR WIFE!!
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How did you get that diesel in the Suburban? Why doesn't Chevy and GMC sell a 2500 with the diesel?
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Old 09-08-2016, 02:53 PM   #22
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Hi Ray. I'm sure you won't be sorry with your new F-350. We got ours just last August while on a trip out west and have never looked back ( except to make sure our 30' AS is still there that is). While on our trip home in October I got frustrated with the small fuel tank ( 26 gal) that came on it. When we got home I upgraded to an aftermarket 50g tank. Works great. We have 34,000 miles on it. Did 12k on the rest of the western trip when we got it. 7,000 going south last winter and just got home a few days ago from another 14k on a trip to Alaska. Nearly 100% of those miles has been towing. I consistently average in the neighborhood of 12.5 - 13.5 miles. Higher in flat country and lower on the flats. You will get lots of warning as the DEF fluid runs low but I tend to keep some on hand so as not to ever be found short. Ours is a 4 door short bed and I put a LEER cap on it when we got home last October. I also have a sliding bed insert that I pulled from the traded truck. Very happy with that too.

Good luck with it, safe travels and see ya on the road sometime. Maybe on one of your western adventures sometime.
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Old 09-08-2016, 03:22 PM   #23
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Yep... volunteered to go grocery shopping with the Mrs.. The short starts and stops is what eats into your mpg. Once loose on the highways and getting a Wyoming tailwind... with a trailer in tow... could do better.

The sweet spot for mpg is between 50 and 60 mph. (about 1200rpm)

MY sweet spot for mpg is between 65 and 75 mph. Hell or High Water, sweet spot. (about 1700rpm) Unless I am trying to become airborne... 1700rpm pretty much handles any 'legal speed limit' for the Rockies.

Once you get to 75mph... 1700rpm without trailer. This truck is NOT what someone would want to hit all the local grocery stores on a Thursday. Our 2008 Land Cruiser has 37,000 miles on the odometer... but the 2012 Tundra was the All Weather and Tow Vehicle of ... OUR ... choice and 3,000 miles short of the drive train warranty expiring (trade in time).

I loved my Tundra... considering having them since 2006, and the mini-Toyota pickups prior to that back to 1981. Running 100,000 to 186,000 miles on the pickups and Land Cruisers. When we were ready to sell... buyers were calling when advertised any for sale. If something shows up on the dealer's lot and can haul rocks, minerals, fossils, jukeboxes and slot machines, maybe some eggs and bread... a test drive will be on my want to do list.

The Land Cruisers with the straight six cylinder are best to avoid. The V8's... are all wonderful.

Will stick with the 26 gallon fuel tank for awhile. This way I can stop and get the 89 cent refills of my 42 ounce ICE with a little soda for color and flavor. Also... the wife could not make it for a 50 gallon tank, needing to check her favorite 'rest stops' or service stations en route to wherever we have been in the past.

One detail Ford missed was the rubber trim around the doors to seal out dust. I rate the F350 only fairly good, while my Tundras as Excellent! It is the small things that add up for satisfaction. If you compare the Tundra and Ford door seals... you will see what I mean. Maybe they saved $1.00 to make it thin and unsatisfactory.

I will check out the 2017 Tundra's if they have a heavier suspension coming. I was waiting for a 3/4 ton with a gas / diesel option, but feel some politics is keeping it from happening. If you saw all of the other kinds of Toyota models outside North America... diesels as well... something is amiss. You and I understand something does not add up. Maybe someone who knows something could step in... I tend to 'step in it'.

So far I added 2.3 gallons of DEF. Looks like water that has some odor to me... but for the price of gasoline.

12mpg to 16mpg is probably the best I can do in the Rockies. If I can get a trouble free experience with this Ford... sell or trade it in before the drive train warranty expires... I will be one happy guy. When you look under the hood... you rear end someone... this is going to be one unhappy day in your life... so you Californians... and I have seen Texans as well, make note. Well... the Front Range of Colorado has become the Los Angeles of the eastern Rockies, so put us on the list as well. I have Colorado plates, but think like a Wyoming Cowboy with no brakes, pulling six head of steer to the slaughter house... or feed lot if some of you feel better with options.
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Old 09-08-2016, 04:25 PM   #24
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I defended my Range Rover HSE for a TV, didn't mind the 45 MPH in 4th (out of 6) at 3,500 RPM, or being max on payload, but the long descents with curves finally got the better-half saying she didn't want to continue towing until we got a truck that had more than the 300 HP and 325 lbs. of torque that the Rover has. Also, she felt we were going to ruin her daily driver. Sooo, here we go on the search, looked at used late model 3/4 tons, read the big three forums to see what the issues were with each, checked what was available and found any of the big three would do but felt partial to Ford. Also, could not find anything that was less than $15K below a new rig. Since the only difference in 3/4-ton and 1-ton is the extra leaf spring (that doesn't come into play until the load demands it) we decided on a F350 to avoid the F250 squat issue with a heavy tongue load and there wouldn't be any future concerns with payload and went with the long bed for the stock 37 gallon fuel tank. We now have 4K towing miles and absolutely love it because of the relaxed, stress free driving it provides. So far we have averaged 12.6 MPG towing and have hit 21 MPG flat highway at max of 60 MPH. I lock out 6th gear most of the time without a tow and all the time towing and always drive in tow/haul mode. I don't notice any mileage difference when towing and locking out 6th gear. When towing in 5th going up a long grade in cruise control my rig does not downshift and it is geared correctly at 3.55. (If in 6th, it will downshift to 5th). Enjoy your truck Ray and happy camping!
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I saw a new 2017 Superduty on the road for the first time today.


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Old 09-08-2016, 04:43 PM   #26
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I forgot to mention that I think the exhaust brake used in the Cummins seems, to me at least, to work a bit more aggressive than that used by FORD. The cummins I traded in was an '06 and did not have it. I use mine all the time just think it could work a little bet better. The 6 speed transmission is great. It shifts up and down smooth and efficient. Even with the 50g tank I still need to stop. Just can be picky just where. One good thing about it is I can easily avoid ever needing to get fuel in Pennsylvania again.
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Old 09-08-2016, 05:52 PM   #27
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My 6.7 dodge 4/4 6speed auto ( double overdrive) pulling our 13 31' classic averages 12.5 mpg coast to coast....I am a former ford owner....
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Old 09-08-2016, 06:27 PM   #28
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A couple of things come to mind when considering a move from a half-ton to a 3/4 or 1-ton truck...

1) The heavier truck is disadvantaged with the loss of independent 4-wheel suspension. In order to carry such loads the suspension is compromised.
I'm not aware of any full size pickup that has 4-wheel independent suspension, I can't think of any tuck other than a Honda Ridgeline that has 4-wheel independent suspension.
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