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Old 11-15-2015, 11:16 PM   #29
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A couple of quick notes. The weight savings on the 2017 will only be about 3-400lbs. If you go with an 8' bed then you will get a 36 gallon fuel tank (that was the case with the 2016's)
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Old 11-16-2015, 03:26 AM   #30
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No one at Harley Davidson ever told me the batwing fairing models (Classics) can generate a death wobble untilI I experienced it twice at speed on mountain road curves.

Then the research showed some folks were not as lucky as I was to survive the "laundry generating" experience.

I sold the bike and never got a replacement as it was the design and not just one bike.

Just saying the analogy may apply to other vehicles as well....
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Old 11-16-2015, 05:28 AM   #31
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I was reading up on the 2017 improvements as to ascertain if I ought to wait a year, and came across the following quote attributed to a Ford spokesman:

"Using the same cab for both trucks likely saves Ford money, but a benefit for the buyer, Ford truck spokesman Mike Levine says, is that Ford can bring innovations and updates to both trucks more quickly."

This means, if true, that starting in 2017 I will no longer fit into Ford vehicles as I've already confirmed I am unable to fit into a current year F150 crew cab due to the headliner bumps and lumps.

decision made -- 2016 is it.

Source URL: http://autoweek.com/article/car-news...ord-super-duty
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Old 11-16-2015, 07:03 AM   #32
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Ian: Sounds like a good move.
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Old 11-16-2015, 07:24 AM   #33
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I am more disappointed than angry, first that this truck is not perfect as I have believed since driving it off the lot and second, that no dealership or the Ford Motor
Company had warned me about this.
I don't think anybody at Ford or any other manufacturer will ever tell you about "death wobble" or some other inherent problem with a design.
The key is to keep up with the wear items in the front end of the vehicle and replace them accordingly. Sometimes aftermarket suspension parts can be better quality than OEM parts. It takes a little bit of time and knowledge to flush out the answers.
Rough roads and heavy diesel engines wear things out quicker.
Don't sweat it - enjoy your truck.
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Old 11-16-2015, 07:35 AM   #34
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Old 11-16-2015, 08:15 AM   #35
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m.hony has it right.

As a generalization, 18" tires ride more smoothly and 20" tires handle better. This is because of the lower profile of the 20's.
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Old 11-16-2015, 08:27 AM   #36
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Buy a F-350!

Just a little over a year ago, I too was specking out a new truck to order. I built two identical trucks, one a 250 and the other a 350. Both I and the dealer was amazed to find that the 350 retailed for only $947.00 more! This quickly became a no-brainer for me. If you ever notice that all the 250's that you see towing or hauling anything heavy are tail-draggers. The 350's have a heavier spring set and rear axle, therefore they don't squat under a load like the 250. The ride difference is hardly noticeable if at all. If you are concerned about the ride when empty, install a set of "Sulastic" rubber spring shackles like I did. My 350 now rides better than a 250. I have the KR and love it. As for wheels you should go with 20". The taller a tire is in overall height, the better it will ride. The larger diameter tire does not fall into holes or ripples as deep as a smaller diameter tire does. Also the 20" tire has a shorter sidewall, which is where most of your sway comes from. The 20" tires also last longer, not as many RPM's. If you look at the resale values of used 250's and compare them to 350's, you will see a difference of somewhere between two and three times the initial difference. I always look and think about resale when I buy because I like to trade quite often. Whenever my wife and I are traveling, I can always tell the difference between a 250 and 350 because of their attitude difference when towing or hauling. Around here the farmers which are pulling or hauling something most of the time never buy a 250 nor would I, especially after finding out the difference in cost. Just my "two dollars worth!" Yeah I know, but the way I see it, my opinions are worth more!
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Old 11-16-2015, 10:53 AM   #37
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I have a 2012 F-250, 6.7 Lariat with 20" wheels and tow a 27FB. My wife and I love this truck! I had always driven GM products and was so pleased with this vehicle I would have recommended it to anyone; until I experienced the "death wobble" which I find out now is not uncommon in this vehicle. Apparently, since 2005 when coil springs replaced leafs up front, this wobble can be a problem. I have 41,600 miles and had to replace the tires, which are always properly inflated and rotated at every service (nearly $300 each) and the drag link. I suggest anyone who owns a late model F-250 or anyone considering purchasing this model simply google Ford F-250 Death Wobble and see what pops up, then follow a thread or two.
I am not trying to talk anyone out of buying an F-250, but current and prospective owners should be aware of this issue. May never happen to you, hopefully not, but be advised of the possibility. I am more disappointed than angry, first that this truck is not perfect as I have believed since driving it off the lot and second, that no dealership or the Ford Motor
Company had warned me about this.
I had a 2007 (6.0L) and a 2011 (6.7) liter. I have experienced the death wobble on both models. The 2011 was much much better than the older front end on the 2007 f250s. But when the ball joints and front end steering stabilizer became worn on the 2011 (approx 110k mi. ) the truck became dangerous to drive. I had these replaced and ran like new.

I also received FORD warning letter on my 2011 model that warned to never let your tire pressure get below 65psi or loss on control was possible.
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Old 11-16-2015, 11:54 AM   #38
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I spent a lot of money trying to "fix" my Harley wobble. Even after all the mods, it happened a second time. That was the end of the road for me as I felt I might get through a third experience.
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Old 11-16-2015, 01:06 PM   #39
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I can highly recommend the snow plow option even if you don't live in snow country or plan on plowing snow. For around $100 , this is a great option with HD front springs, shocks, alternator and radiator. This option basically levels your truck as well. I like the Lariat over the KR since the KR seats are very bad to stain. Maybe since I've had the snow plow option, in 170,000 miles, I have never experienced the death wobble.
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Old 11-16-2015, 01:33 PM   #40
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The leather in the Platinum and the King Ranch is real leather.The Lariat is pleather (bonded leather)and does not wear well.The 20 inch wheels look great and ride well and add to resale value.I looked at the F250's then drove it along with the F350.I found that they ride the same as they share the same primary leaf spring but as the load increases the other springs come into play one by one..I also realized for the small difference in price ($650) that it was a no brainer for me.I purchased a new 2012 F350 Lariat 6.7 Supercrew 8ft box.Then in 2015 I traded it for a 2015 F350 Platinum with the same features.I have 20k miles on it now and its a real pleasure actually a lot better truck than the 2012.We pull a 28ft international and this combination is unbeatable.The truck actually rides very smooth and the 2015 is whisper quiet.We tow approx 10k-15k per year.We don't ever worry about power or payload anymore and I will not change this combo.I will wait and trade for a 2018 aluminum as the first year of a model is not always a good thing.
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I spent a lot of money trying to "fix" my Harley wobble. Even after all the mods, it happened a second time. That was the end of the road for me as I felt I might get through a third experience.

Switz, not questioning your wobble on bat wing nor the posts on threads I went to concerning same. Guess I was just lucky, 675,000 registered HD miles in the mileage program, many more prior and the largest percentage with Ultra. Wonder if it's a specific set of circumstances that brings it on or individual bikes only as none of the guys I used to ride with on same type bikes have experienced it either as I questioned them after the posts. Most still ride, I no longer do, figured 50+ years and so many miles luck might catch up to me.

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Old 11-16-2015, 04:23 PM   #42
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Totally agree with Switz on mileage, if we slow it down to just under 60 I can get, on level ground over 16mpg, but I don't often. Last summer on I40 going east I picked up two Semi's from the old company I was GM at talked to them via CB and told them I was going to pull in behind them and "draft" them at 60mpg. For 100 miles I averaged over 17mpg, pure bliss.

We opted for the Igot Sliver on both trucks, stays clean much longer than other colors we've had, at least does not show the dirt as readily. And black seats, so the Carhart matches nothing.

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Hey Bud --

Yeah I am already a granny driver; I tend to put it in at 55-60, blinkers on if the limit is 70 or higher and stay in the right lane, allowing the world to pass by me.

I prefer green or the new bronze fire for external colors; just the way I am -- and the lighter leather interiors; black interiors to me just whisper "Wait till august dearie, I'll bide my time... but I'll get you my pretty! and your little dog, too!"

what's the non-nav feature sets you like in that system? I am already an iphone GPS user (Navigon since it allows for "truck" designation and it has a full set of maps loaded locally rather than like Waze or others that cache maps and could loose data when I have no internet connection...)

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