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Old 11-11-2012, 07:21 PM   #71
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Old 11-11-2012, 07:29 PM   #72
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Let' s try this again,


I don't get the "stress thing" either. Over 50000 miles towing so far and I can't remember a single stressful day. Sure, I have encountered my share of rude, unskillful or negligent drivers, been in some really stinky weather but never felt that my rig or its driver weren't up to the task.

In that 50000 miles I've certainly spent some time in the granny lane doing 45 in 3rd gear headed uphill in the Sierra's, rockies... but those few minutes certainly don't justify diesel's initial cost, pricey fuel and, in some cases, urea tanks. At least for me.

Love my Titan. 148000 miles and counting. Never has let me down and, so far, nothing but routine maintenance.

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Old 11-11-2012, 11:24 PM   #73
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The orginal post and my comments on being less stress with a diesel were relative to a trip to Alaska. The roads on this route are far different than expressways in the rest of the country. It doesn't matter if your talking the AK highway or much of western Canada, you are on two lane roads with few passing lanes and continual grades. Your also dealing with lots of truck traffic and oil field workers in a hurry that will be all over you if can't keep up your speed. Many of these roads also have little or no shoulder to move over on. On a trip like this you are dealing with this situation day after day, not a few minutes at a time.

I fully agree that all of us need to buy and operate the tow vehicle we are happy with. A big part of this decision is not only the trailer you are towing but also the environment that you are using it in.
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Old 11-12-2012, 06:06 AM   #74
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We have use our new F250 6.7 several times now prior to putting the 30' to bed for the winter. We both still work, much longer than either of us had planned, but it is what it is. The most recent trip was a two hour trip, about 125 miles with one stop. We averaged 17.1 MPG this is from the computer and from the second computer on board that has sat next to me for 45 years. Both concur, 17.1, now I had no wind, little traffic, only small hills and all interstate and I never exceeded the 65MPH limit.

To the "stress" discussion. Both my wife and I have our CDLs and she still drives I do not as I actually got lucky and have a new job that allowed us to buy the new AS and new truck. But that said, with the CDLs we have driven many, many miles. The issue of stress while towing is a very subjective topic, each individual has to make that determination. But in our collective thinking you cannot have too much power and you cannot have toom much braking ability or control. We did not have that with the 2011 F150 Ecoboost we had, but we most certainly do with the 2012 F250 6.7 Diesel. More expensivie yes, more expensive fuel - NO, our milage towing is so much better that with regular at $3,99 and Diesel at $4.25 our cost per mile for fuel only is cheaper with the diesel than it is with the Ecoboost. I know about all the other costs, involved, but don't care, I feel better in a 3/4 Ton Diesel and that's my story and I am sticking to it.

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Old 11-12-2012, 07:08 AM   #75
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I also think you have to think about what your towing. If youve got a Bambi, you probably dont need a 1 ton dually. But so far, all of us have fairly large AS's that COULD use a diesel, or at least a 3/4 ton. And you can get a 3/4 ton gasser like mine. Thatll knock about 7 grand off the price tag, no matter what year the truck but of course youll take a hit in fuel economy.

Theres so many varitions in the 1/2 ton vs 3/4 ton vs diesel vs every other scenario, like stated earlier, ALL boils down to the owner and what he/she thinks they need to tow their specific AS
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Old 11-12-2012, 10:58 AM   #76
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TV always interesting subject with plenty of input into what to purchase. My recommendation is to: do your homework by checking out various forums on the web like ours to the truck forums; ask for the salesperson that sells the most trucks and even then back check what they tell you and then buy the one that you can afford and will fit your needs for today and the next five years.

I hesitate to say this however fuel prices paid a minumum role in my decision to purchase the Ford diesel. To me fuel is a sunk cost for without it I can't truly enjoy the aluminum condo on wheels.
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Old 11-12-2012, 03:14 PM   #77
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Not a scientific study here but observations for those interested.
We have almost completed our round trip from Portland, OR to Alaska. See our blog, Hal and Terri's Great Alaska Adventure. I have a 2009 27' Flying Cloud FB towed by a 2011 Ford F250 4WD diesel. We are traveling with friends and their 2007 19' Bambi towed by a 2011 Ford F150. He says his trailer is about 5,000 lbs and his truck is loaded. My AS probably weighs close to 9,000 lbs and my truck is loaded too.
I've been following him for about 5,800 miles so far and have almost 7 solid weeks of observation of how both combinations perform.
He slows down on grades because the truck wants to shift down often and high rev the engine. His concern is both engine wear and fuel mileage. He also has to be careful going down grades because there is not much engine assist in controlling speed. It tows fine on level ground and accelerates easily.
My combination has been a real pleasure. With the 6 speed transmission, engine braking, built in automatic yaw control, and huge amount of torque, I can just set the cruise control and forget it. It maintains speed perfectly and effortlessly going both up and down grades. If need be, I can even accelerate and pass long trucks on grades without fear. I can also easily stop the trailer if for some reason I lose the electric trailer brakes.
Towing a trailer with an under powered TV is frustrating and stressful. Same too for inadequate brake capacity when you need it.
The really funny thing is that my friends and I are both getting the same mileage, about 14-15 mpg.
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Hi, forget the comparison, if you want to go up hill with a gas engine you need to bring it up in RPMs into it's power range. And if you are going down hill, you need to manually downshift your transmission into the proper gear. My half ton Lincoln has been down many steep mountains with barely and / or never even touching my brakes. Sorry, but your friend needs a bigger truck and /or driving lessons.

Hi, I'm really surprised at how far this thread has gone with the mine is better than your's type comments, but if you read the first post again, it's not about the trucks. It's about lack of driving ability and trailer towing skills of the owner of the F-150. This has nothing to do with Diesels versus Gas. The F-150 owner probably couldn't tow his 19' Bambi with a Kenworth. Does anyone out there reading this, really believe that an F-150 can't handle a 19' Bambi?
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Old 11-18-2012, 06:23 PM   #78
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Forgot to post my results! I test drove (both used) a EcoBoost F-150 and the diesel F-250. Dont get me wrong, the EcoBoost will HAUL and feels like its got a mighty V8 under the hood. No doubt itd outrun my big block and get twice the mpgs doin it. Then I drove the diesel. No doubt Id thorw the extra ten grand at the dealership and take home the 250. It just FEELS like it can tow ANYTHING. It rides good, and has tons of power!

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