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Old 09-17-2012, 09:41 AM   #57
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Old 09-22-2012, 07:52 PM   #58
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"Again, if a person wants a diesel, then go buy one,"

I did, and 5 years and 108000 miles later I ain't sorry yet.
Yes, and I bought a gasser, a Ford F-250 2008 V-10, and after 112,xxx miles, it's running as good as any diesel for alot less money, even with my 8.5 mpg towing my AS and 10.3 solo. Oh yeah, my oil changes are $19.95 and fuel filter is $9.95, that's about it.

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Old 09-22-2012, 07:57 PM   #59
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Regular $3.74

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Costco gas $3.59
Diesel @ gas stations $3.99

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Diesel is $4.09
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Old 09-22-2012, 08:20 PM   #60
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Are you guys taking into account the mpg savings and not just gas prices?

The following are my hometown gas prices
30 gallons of gas @ $3.85: $115.50
30 gallons of diesel @ $3.98: $119.40
30 gallons of diesel @ $4.09: $122.70

Seeing as gassers get around 10 mpg towing, give or take depending on truck and trailer, and iv never heard of a diesel getting less than 12 towing an AS... Makes that $7 a tank extra for diesel seem a whole lot more worth it IMO.

On the other hand, your gonna pay roughly $4000 extra for that diesel engine initially.

Gasser getting 10 mpg w/ 30 gallon tank: 300 miles per tank
Diesel getting 12 mpg w/ 30 gallon tank: 360 miles per tank
Break it down with some complicated math... Itll take 213 fill-ups to pay off a diesel engine @ 2 mpg better. Which means, if you own a diesel for longer than 77,000 miles, its paid for itself, and I even included the extra $100 MORE per oil change. which is being a bit radical since diesel oil changes cost about $90 and gassers cost about $30.

And thats at ONLY 2 mpg difference towing. My gas 460 gets 12 mpg unloaded and its 7.3 Power Stroke counterpart gets 18 or better unloaded.

I dont guess itd be wroth it... if you traded before 75,000 miles, and thats still being VERY lenient. Youd have to ONLY use your TV to tow and use Royal Purple engine oil lol
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Old 09-23-2012, 10:42 AM   #61
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I do not care that much for diesels.Then after towing with my 2010 F150 Supercrew 4x4 w/Max Tow pak I realized I was overloading the truck with passengers and gear.Went truck shopping and found that most people selling and ordering these things had no clue what they were talking about.Looked at the Ecoboost and it looked like the way to go but I needed more payload capacity.Now my f150 pulled the trailer and gear just fine but the engineers that built it put a limit on its payload capacity for a reason(If it could carry more they would post it higher as it would sell more trucks DUH).And it was to low for what I do.The HD payload option is good enough for some peoples applications but I do not want to keep track of my passengers weight,my dogs,my stuff in the box etc...So after looking at all I settled on a F350 6.7 turbo diesel supercrew 4x4 w/8ft box.I did the math and it was more $$$ for the diesel f350 but in 3 years it was worth more money on resale(check for yourself).It will bring back in my case approx 90% of the added expense vs the fully optioned Ecoboost V6 when I am ready to trade in 2-3 years.Go price a loaded Ecoboost V6 they are not cheap either.That equates to less than $1000 dollars to have a vehicle that allows me to take my family ,my dog and my stuff in a 8ft box I might add and pull my Airstream without breathing hard.If I save a little fuel here and there it is a bonus.I got 20.5mpg on my last trip unloaded and get 13.5 loaded.I now love the 6.7 turbo diesel ..no stress.
There is a huge difference between the F150 pulling and the F350 all the way around.I know as I have had both.
Looked close at the F250 and learned the progressive spring rates were not much different so choose F350 for resale.It is also my daily driver and its great... like a limo
I have been in the automobile business for 37years and have bought,sold and ordered thousands of cars and trucks.I am also a mechanic (now called technician?)And a gear head.A member of the Chevrolet truck Hall of honor Club(for truck sales)and Chevrolet's Legion of Leaders (for car sales.I was also the zone product knowledge champion 2 years in a row.So I am still learning but I do know a few things about cars and trucks.

For pulling my Airstream and my families safety this was the only choice for me.
It is the whole package! Just my 2 cents
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Old 09-23-2012, 02:13 PM   #62
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Except the original difference in the gas engine vs the diesel is more like $7500-8,000, not $4,000. Again, when the wife runs your diesel tank dry or the urea tank is so low the engine shuts off, or she puts gasoline in your diesel tank........well you can guess the rest. Interesting that a Chevy salesman would buy a Ford F-350; I am real proud of you for that.

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Old 09-23-2012, 03:57 PM   #63
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My wife has her own car and would not be interested in driving mine.But should she decide to she is definitely smart enough to know the difference in diesel and gas.She can even walk and chew gum at the same time..............................

I am fairly intelligent at least enough to fill my urea tank when needed but if I were not the truck would remind me over 10 times over 500 miles before it went into limp mode then if I still ignored it it would shut off.Of course this can be complicated so they aren't for everyone.

I worked for Chevrolet for 10 years,Mercedes Benz for the next 10 years and have been with Lamborghini and Ferrari for 17 years.

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Old 09-23-2012, 04:04 PM   #64
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in tucson regular unleaded is 3.53 diesel is 4.17-4.29 a gallon....
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Good thing my girlfriend knows the difference between gas and diesel lol
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Old 10-03-2012, 06:42 AM   #66
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We tow a 30' Flying Cloud and had a 2011 F150 Ecoboost Platinum, 3.37 rear, HD Tow Package. Could not achieve better than 9.5 MPG, driving the speed limits, no higher than 65 here in Western PA.

We now two with a 2012 F250 6.7 Diesel with 3.55 rear, HD Tow Package and 10,000# payload upgrade. Driving at 5 MPH over the speed limit, 70 MPH on the highways we average 14 MPG.

Plus no sway issues at all, much more stable etc. As long as we tow a 30' will never go back to gas. Aside from the intitial purchase price of diesel vs gas and more expensive oil changes ie 13 qts in the diesel, there is a huge savings even with gas at $3.99 and Diesel at $4.19 for the diesel.

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Old 10-03-2012, 09:31 AM   #67
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Just finished tow vehicle shopping considering overall use, drivability with and without the Airstream, initial and long-term costs, and matching it to our Airstream. Diesel trucks quickly fell from grace here because it met those requirements poorly. Half-ton pickup is easy winner. For us the old-fashioned regular cab Ram Express 4x4 Hemi 5.7 with complete tow equipment including factory brake control is a bargain and fits our needs very well.

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[QUOTE=crisen;1166581]I found the orginal post interesting, even though as he said it was just observation not science. More than the mileage comparision it seemed he implied that he found the drive on the trip to Alaska a lot less work with his diesel than the driver of the gas truck did. My interpretation of his comments only.


Only two rivets and he/she is one of the few who gets it. It wasn't about mileage or big TV/little TV. It's about ENJOYING THE EXPERIENCE. Sure, if your salesman or one of the resident experts here says this/his/hers TV maximum tow rating is 5000 lbs., that's not the same thing as saying that you will enjoy the experience of driving and braking thru any of the Cascade's, Sierra's, Rocky's, or even the Smokey's when you are at maximum capacity. Think of the thrill of being passed by a semi-big rig with two long trailers or in my state, three long trailers as your are struggle to maintain your lane and the minimum speed. Oh yes, and the worry about your brakes "over heating/failing) on the way down the grade is in invigorating too. It's about being in control on your situation rather than at the mercy and skill of anyone driving in any lane next to you and/or the mechanical limitations of your "MAXED OUT" TV. Power and performance gives you options. If I'm towing in the lane next to a tractor trailer and I have some idiot on my tail, I can just pull away from the rig next to me even on grades. That's especially nice if I notice the driver of the big rig next to me drives like he trying to stay awake.

OK, if the TV is your primary vehicle, I get that. You don't probably don't need a 1/2 - 3/4 ton rated vehicle for your daily driver and you have to balance a lot of factors in a multi purpose vehicle. But this observation wasn't about choice of vehicles for your daily drivers. It was simply about two trucks power/weight/fuel comparisons and the reduced stress of the towing experience.

Vehicle information update for those of you that asked. First of all I made an error. It does not have the ecoboost engine. The 2010 F150 Supercab has a 5.4L FFV V-8 engine with a Electronic 6 speed transmission. The rear axle ratio is 3.55 limited slip and it also has the 7200# GVWR package.
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I didnt find this thread interesting til recently. I (more than likely) will be hired into a full time job with a healthy paycheck and find myself looking for a newer, more reliable TV. Iv given myself 3 options:
7.3L Excursion
6.7 F-350 SRW (preferably, or F-250)
3.5L F-150 (preferably, or 5.0)
All 3 have advantages and disadvantages. Im more heavily leaning towards the 6.7 due to the fact that itll tow anything I throw at it and retain good mpgs. 2nd is probably the Excursion since its my life-long dream to own one. And 3rd is of course the F-150.

Im going test-driving tomorrow and will definitly drive a new Super Duty and F-150. Ill tell you guys the outcome. Of course itll all be in my teenage-state-of-mind opinion
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What I don't get is the stress and lack of enjoyment with a 1/2 ton. Let me tell you we don't have that problem.

Power to spare, and less stress and more enjoyment when we get there.
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