Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 06-27-2012, 12:10 AM   #21
Rivet Master
 
dkottum's Avatar
 
2012 25' Flying Cloud
Battle Lake , Minnesota
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 7,716
[QUOTE=hhendrix;1166291]
Quote:
Originally Posted by dkottum View Post
Sounds more like someone loving his oversized truck (that's fine), than a comparison of two trucks; we don't even know what the other truck is.

Try reading the second paragraph again.
Still don't know how his F150 is equipped. Not that it really matters, many F150 owners quite pleased with their trucks as well, with different experiences than you describe.

doug k
__________________

dkottum is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-27-2012, 07:13 AM   #22
Rivet Master
 
1981 31' Excella II
New Market , Alabama
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 6,099
The Ecoboost engine is designed to rev to get enough HP to pull up a mountain. Just because an engine has to rev to produce power does not make it inferior. A Diesel does not like to rev over about 3600 RPM. The Ecoboost is probably running at twice that RPM and that is the way it is supposed to be. So I agree with Bob. If you are not redlining an engine and your oil pressure and engine temp are fine then rev the crap out of it. The valve train on newer engines is way superior to the V8 dinosaurs of yesterday. Yeah the old V8 engines would wear out running at 5000 RPM. The newer engines are just getting into their sweet spot at that RPM.

Perry
__________________

perryg114 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-27-2012, 07:54 AM   #23
Rivet Master
 
Road Ruler's Avatar
 
Currently Looking...
St. Catharines , South Western Ontario
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 2,367
Images: 38
Quote:
Originally Posted by perryg114 View Post
Yeah the old V8 engines would wear out running at 5000 RPM. The newer engines are just getting into their sweet spot at that RPM. Perry
So true. We once had someone walk up to us in a campsite and comment
" How can you stand all that engine noise with the high revs when towing".

Folks just assume because to tow with a six you need to rev the heck out of the engine.

99% of the time we run 2,700RPM in 4th gear at highway speed. There is no engine noise. You can hear a slight wind noise and a slight tire noise but the engine is quiet.

On a grade if we need to drop to 3rd gear (3,500) you can hear the engine but only slightly. The engine will rev to 6,500 but I don't recall ever needing to go to 5,000rpms although having reserve power is nice.
__________________
Airstreams..... The best towing trailers on the planet!
Road Ruler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-27-2012, 07:56 AM   #24
Rivet Master
 
JFScheck's Avatar
 
Vintage Kin Owner
Rockville , Maryland
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,484
Images: 33
Quote:
Originally Posted by AWCHIEF View Post
It seems that most currently produced diesels get no better mileage than their gas counterparts.
Not quite - the Super Duties with Diesel get better mileage than their gas F-150 counterparts yet are larger, heavier vehicles. When towing the same load, the diesel Super Duty surpasses the mileage of the gassers, the efficiency of the oil burner over the gas engine is quite apparent when comparing Super Duties with gas & diesel engines.
Bouns – these modern oil burners - their exhaust is cleaner than the gas counterparts, although the engine may cost more - for those that require it, I think it’s the smarter of the two choices, especially if you are looking at keeping your rig long term or tow a substantially large sized RV through the mountains.
__________________
John "JFScheck" Scheck
In Between Units
Airstream On Order
**I Love U.S.A.**
JFScheck is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-27-2012, 08:29 AM   #25
Rivet Master
 
dkottum's Avatar
 
2012 25' Flying Cloud
Battle Lake , Minnesota
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 7,716
Fuel mileage should not be compared without a cost per gallon adjustment. When I got my first diesel car the fuel price was less than gas, but it's been substantially higher for many years now.

doug k
dkottum is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-27-2012, 10:53 AM   #26
Rivet Master
 
1981 31' Excella II
New Market , Alabama
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 6,099
You also need to consider the total cost of ownership. Purchase price, oil changes, filter changes, DEF Fluid, Cost of Fuel. Cost of tires is usually more on bigger trucks as well. Availbility of fuel is also an issue with Diesel. You can get gas anywhere. I have also found the many stations gouge you for diesel. Gas here is $3 a gallon but diesel is $3.80 a gallon. In the old days when diesel was cheaper than gas then it made a lot more sense. Buying a used diesel is risky and repairs are not cheap (been there done that). The argument that diesels last longer than gas engines is pure crap. 20 years ago that may have been the case but not now.

Perry
perryg114 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-27-2012, 12:48 PM   #27
3 Rivet Member
 
2008 31' Classic
Lake Charles , Louisiana
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 153
I looked at the cost of diesel vs gas, along with many other things. We have always had vehicles which burn gas. Being we are about to retire and plan to do some serious towing, the ability the diesel has in power and torque over the gas engine is something I had to consider. The cost of gasoline vs. diesel is not something which would make or break my decision. My dad is 82 and towed for years with a gas engine. In 93 he went to a diesel (still has it) and when I asked him if he would do it all over again, being diesel is now higher than gas, he said his diesel has never lacked for power when needed. When I shopped for a truck I mentioned the 6.2 gas burner to the salesman and he said it was a gas hog. With all of the incentives ($3k off the diesel package) and able to do a "fleet buy" I just decided to go all out and get a truck that would last me for years. Our trailer comes in around 7k lbs. which is not a lot of load for the F-250. I have heard a lot of good things about the Ecoboost V-6. I say if the smaller 150 works for you....then go for it. I like having LOTS of reserve power and torque :-)
Steve & Mary is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-27-2012, 03:16 PM   #28
4 Rivet Member
 
crisen's Avatar
 
2012 25' FB Eddie Bauer
Fairbanks , Alaska
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 268
Images: 5
I found the orginal post interesting, even though as he said it was just observation not science. More than the mileage comparision it seemed he implied that he found the drive on the trip to Alaska a lot less work with his diesel than the driver of the gas truck did. My interpretation of his comments only.
Having driven the Alaska Highway many times, I lost count after the first dozen, I will say the last trip with my '08 Dodge and Cummins was a lot less work than making the drive in the gas trucks of the past, a F150 and a Chevy C30. Trailer loads with the two one tons were all in the range of 7k to 9k lbs, lighter on the F150. The built in engine brake on the Cummins 6.7 is sure nice on the decents which are generally steeper and more frequent than found any lower 48 roads.
As many posters have pointed out however, you need to buy what suits you, for me is sticking with the Dodge.
Now I just need to get rid of this SOB and find my Airstream!

Rick
crisen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-31-2012, 10:19 PM   #29
Capt W
 
2013 31' Classic
Jefferson , Massachusetts
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 78
Images: 1
Blog Entries: 1
We agree with hhendrix. The F250 did a great job. At Alumapalooza we were told that if you used breaks to control speed going down hill, you were not in the correct gear. The F250 tow mode allowed us to relax as the computer did its job.
__________________
Wayne and Sarah

Welcome aboard, Mary Joan, the Tin Wheeler

http://www.tinwheel.blogspot.com
wrochdvm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-04-2012, 03:50 PM   #30
2 Rivet Member
 
NorthernWind's Avatar
 
1976 Argosy 20
RR4 Marmora , Ontario
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 28
250 vs 150

I have had 12 Ford trucks, the last 3 being diesel, to me it's hands down better than the 150 in performance, now I have no experience with the new ecoboost but I think it would be hard to beat the 250 SD. We had a 5th wheel that weighed 5.5 tons and I still got 18 mpg with the SD.
Just my opinion!
Steve
NorthernWind is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-04-2012, 05:29 PM   #31
3 Rivet Member
 
2012 30' Flying Cloud
Lake St Louis , Missouri
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 144
Can't comment on the F150, but I have a 2002 F250 SD that I used to pull a 37 ft 5th wheel until this year when I traded for the AS. The 250 did a fine job even in the Rockies. Pulling the AS is a big difference. Now we have a much smoother ride and less shifting on the hills. Truck stays in over drive most of the time. I'm sure the F150 can do the job, but suspect it'll be working a lot harder. I like having some reserve power in the truck. I plan to trade for another similar diesel in the future.

AirEgger
AirEgger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-04-2012, 06:36 PM   #32
Rivet Master
 
JimGolden's Avatar
 
Vintage Kin Owner
1977 31' Excella 500
Berkeley Springs , West Virginia
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 1,628
Images: 7
Towing or Not?

What is under the hood/cab of over the road trucks? (Kenworth, Peterbilt, Mack, Volvo, Freightliner, etc.) A gasser or a diesel?

I bought a Dodge Ram with a Cummins turbodiesel. I pull a 10,000lb 36' long Avion 34X (Avion measures the box for their length....bumper to ball is longer) and have never hit a hill I could not accelerate up...including the Great Smokey Mountains.

I've always had gassers. But after getting the Cummins, I will never look back. The big straight six has perfect primary and secondary balance and is smoother than a V8 (like the 447 in my Charger).

I can get 21mpg running empty. I get between 12.5 (at 75mph plus on 95) and 15mpg towing the Avion at 60mph across the flat lands.

I like diesels. I wish I'd gotten one sooner.

But to each their own. Slam the door on a new F-150 and watch the panels jiggle. Where I work we have 150's as a company car (I actually have an Escape). Ford lightened them up alright....the sheet metal is about like mylar. A deer ran into the back of my buddy's 2011 150 and destroyed the rear quarter panel. He was parked. The deer ran into him!

Diesels in general run about 30% more efficient than a gasser, all else being equal. A Brit car mag did a test of a BMW 5 series against a Prius. They drove them 700 miles from A in France to B in Germany. They biased the test toward the Prius hybrid by going through as many towns as they could. The Prius driver had the a/c off and the radio off, trying to conserve as many electrons as possible. The Bimmer driver had the a/c and the radio on. When it was all said and done, the diesel Bimmer got 4mpg better than the Toyota. Diesels work.

If you don't have a big trailer, then the EcoBoost would be fine. If you're pulling a big one....I'd go with the weasel.

Cheers,
__________________
- Jim
JimGolden is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-04-2012, 07:17 PM   #33
Vintage Kin
 
Fort Worth , Texas
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 8,014
Images: 1
Except that diesels past 2008 are now laden with emissions requirements that affect both fuel mileage and longevity versus the ones we have. The initial expense, the operating expense and the likely somewhat shorter life means that gassers (which have seen significant improvements) have closed most of the gap.

It's a money loser if it were a business -- done this way -- as spec'ng a TV for .05% of miles traveled makes no sense at all. 10-mph slower up the mountains just means that the TV chosen can do the job (all jobs, not just an otherwise insignificant one), and do it at lower all-inclusive costs.

I'd like for mine to make the 15+ year mark (2018), and hope that by then an acceptable choice can be made that combines the longevity, reliability & low operating costs that this has had.

.
slowmover is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-13-2012, 06:45 PM   #34
Rivet Master
 
pappy19's Avatar
 
2002 30' Classic S/O
Garden Valley , Idaho
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 1,569
Rednax, you are right on. I pulled a 40' Carriage monster with both my '97 F-250 7.3 and my 2002 F-350 7.3 and I never had an issue on the pulling power of a diesel. Frog leap to 2012 and between the "sootbag" or the urea tank, plus upwards of $250 for oil and fuel filter changes, not to mention the .50-75 cents difference in fuel/gas, a gas rig will do the job of towing (especially any AS) and get you to 100k + with little more than oil changes and maybe a spark plug change. Most guys buy a diesel rig because they WANT one, and that's ok too, those car companies need you.

Pap
__________________
2008 F-250 4X4 Lariat V-10
2002 Airstream Classic 30' w/SO #2074
2007 Kubota 900 RTV
1996 Ford Bronco
2007 Lincoln LT
pappy19 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-13-2012, 07:21 PM   #35
Rivet Master
 
AirsDream's Avatar
 
1999 23' Safari
Perrysburg , Ann Arbor
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 915
Well, maybe

Quote:
Originally Posted by pappy19 View Post
... a gas rig will do the job of towing (especially any AS) and get you to 100k + with little more than oil changes and maybe a spark plug change. Pap
Maybe. But one of my diesels is fast closing on 250k miles with nothing more than oil changes, tires and wiper blades. Oh, yeah, two headlight bulbs. I know two guys with over 500k on theirs, but mine is for sure a limited sample.

I will say that a 3/4 ton diesel of any brand is a real truck ... you'll never mistake it for a passenger car, that's for sure.
AirsDream is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-14-2012, 11:56 AM   #36
Rivet Master
 
pappy19's Avatar
 
2002 30' Classic S/O
Garden Valley , Idaho
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 1,569
There are many examples of HD gas rigs making it to 250-300k with nothing done but oil and spark plug changes including the 5.4, 6.8 (V-10) and the Chevy 350. You don't see many diesel pickups going over 100k very far and needing new injectors, glow plugs, fuel pumps, etc. Plus, if a diesel ever gets into bad fuel, it's a disaster, while water in gasoline make make the engine sputter some, but that's about it. Again, if a person wants a diesel, then go buy one, but most folks don't need a diesel to tow an RV unless it's a big 5th wheel.

Pap
__________________
2008 F-250 4X4 Lariat V-10
2002 Airstream Classic 30' w/SO #2074
2007 Kubota 900 RTV
1996 Ford Bronco
2007 Lincoln LT
pappy19 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-14-2012, 12:33 PM   #37
4 Rivet Member
 
crisen's Avatar
 
2012 25' FB Eddie Bauer
Fairbanks , Alaska
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 268
Images: 5
Quote:
Originally Posted by pappy19 View Post
Rednax, you are right on. I pulled a 40' Carriage monster with both my '97 F-250 7.3 and my 2002 F-350 7.3 and I never had an issue on the pulling power of a diesel. Frog leap to 2012 and between the "sootbag" or the urea tank, plus upwards of $250 for oil and fuel filter changes, not to mention the .50-75 cents difference in fuel/gas, a gas rig will do the job of towing (especially any AS) and get you to 100k + with little more than oil changes and maybe a spark plug change. Most guys buy a diesel rig because they WANT one, and that's ok too, those car companies need you.

Pap

Just curious, where are you seeing .50 to .75/per gallon difference? The national average between regular and diesel is .27 as of earilier this month? We are paying about .25/gal. now, was about .18 most of the summer but difference always goes up here in the fall.
__________________
Rick
"When you find yourself in a hole - quit digging!"

2012 1/2 Eddie Bauer, 2016 Ram Laramie 3500 SWB 4x4 6.7L Cummins 68RFE
crisen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-14-2012, 12:44 PM   #38
Moderator
 
DKB_SATX's Avatar

 
2017 26' Flying Cloud
1976 Argosy 28
Alamo Heights , Texas
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 7,426
Images: 1
Blog Entries: 7
Quote:
Originally Posted by crisen View Post
Just curious, where are you seeing .50 to .75/per gallon difference? The national average between regular and diesel is .27 as of earilier this month? We are paying about .25/gal. now, was about .18 most of the summer but difference always goes up here in the fall.
35 cents or so is a pretty common delta between regular and diesel around DFW. I don't think I've ever seen 75 cents, but I've seen the split over 40 cents.
__________________
— David

Zero Gravitas — 2017 Flying Cloud 26U | Il Progetto — 1976 Argosy 28 Center Bath | WBCCI# 15566

He has all of the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire. — Sir Winston Churchill
DKB_SATX is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-14-2012, 01:08 PM   #39
Rivet Master
 
Naper's Avatar
 
2017 30' Classic
Loretto , Ontario
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 507
Here in Canada diesel is $0.40 a gallon less than gasoline. It sure helps to justify the diesel.
Naper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-14-2012, 02:08 PM   #40
Rivet Master
 
Moflash's Avatar
 
2007 28' International CCD
Springfield , Missouri
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 1,410
Regular $3.74

Diesel $3.94

Bargains
__________________

Moflash is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Featured Campgrounds

Reviews provided by

Disclaimer:

This website is not affiliated with or endorsed by the Airstream, Inc. or any of its affiliates. Airstream is a registered trademark of Airstream Inc. All rights reserved. Airstream trademark used under license to Social Knowledge LLC.



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 06:03 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.