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Old 03-21-2013, 06:49 PM   #1
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F250 6.7 vs F150(Possibly EcoBoost or not) vs Nissan Titan

So after a lot of consideration and test drives, and trips to dealers, I've been able to at least narrow down to essentially three vehicles (Maybe 4).

The quick run down of the situation.

We currently own one 66 Globetrotter and use it for our business. With this business we tow frequently. I could easily see putting 200 miles in every weekend in October, and probably a few more during the weeks as well.

We are possibly expanding the business, which would put us into another, larger Airstream, how big we're not quite sure, but in the 27 or 32 area if I had to guess. This trailer would see even longer distances as it wouldn't be stuck to central Texas but would likely be going everywhere in Texas and possibly even out of state. This trailer would likely be heavier than expected due to computer systems, printer systems, and a generator.

At the moment, this vehicle will also be used as a bit of a personal car as well. My girlfriends Honda has over 200k on it and won't be with us much longer. I'd love to keep our Nissan Xterra but I think I almost have to sell it so I can put that money towards the new truck.

As to the vehicles.

New is pretty much our best option, because it's a business situation and we'll want the lease for better deductions. This does mean that maintenance cost is somewhat less of an issue. 4x4 and a large crew cab are also necessary. We bring employees with us, and we end up on a fairly decent amount of tricky surfaces.

I like the Titan because I've owned a Nissan before. It's an old design at this point though and doesn't have a whole lot of bells and whistles. It also has the worst gas mileage of all of the choices. The Titan is also the cheapest by far. A fully equipped Pro4x around here is probably going to cost me in the neighborhood of 36k.

I love both the Fords because of the electronic anti-sway control, and other towing features. The zoom ability on the rear camera is kind of awesome because we do a LOT of hitching/unhitching and it's usually late at night. These trucks are both designed for towing far better than the Nissan. We've been looking at Lariat levels in both models.

I'm very wary of the EcoBoost engine. I've done all of the research that I could into the limp mode issue that happens in high humidity areas and it's honestly not worth the risk to me right now. If we lose the trailer, not only do we lose it's value (Though it is insured), we lose our income until we rebuild. I've heard some news of fixes to the EcoBoost, but no Ford dealer has been upfront with me about the issue. I'm also not entirely sure about it's gas mileage when towing. Does anyone have experience with this? I've likewise heard of the good mileage dropping after 20-40k miles.

The F150 would likely run me in the low 40's with the trim level's we'd hope for.

I honestly don't know much about the other unleaded engines available on the F150, though I'd love any advice in alternatives to the EcoBoost.

On a bit of a whim I took a peak at the F250's with the 6.7 Diesel. It adds another 8k or so above what we'd be paying for the F150, but the only real reasons I'm considering it are it's power in the event that we'd expand to the larger Airstream... and the more consistant and possibly better gas mileage when towing.

If the F250 could maintain even 6 MPG better than the F150, even with the cost of diesel being higher, it could put a big dent in the difference of cost between the two vehicles over the 18k miles per year, 3 year lease.

So essentially.

36k = Nissan Titan, with all of the trim but none of the towing extras except a rear camera on the 2013 models. Absolutely horrible gas mileage, especially when towing.

40-42k = F150 Lariat, with all of the trim, electronic sway, etc, questionable performance issues with the engine. Slightly better gas mileage than the Titan.

50ish+ = F250 Lariat, with all of what the F150 has, but with what I can reasonably expect to be a far better gas mileage situation (when towing) and towing capacity.

I hate making big decisions while feeling that I'm missing some sort of second opinion.
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Old 03-21-2013, 07:32 PM   #2
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I got a pricing/specs sheet from the commercial account person I was dealing with.

2013 F150 Lariat Super Crew 4x4, 5.0L V8 Flex Fuel Engine: $44,291.
2013 F250 Lariat Crew Cab 4x4, 6.2L V8 Gasoline Engine: $49,504
2013 F250 Lariat Crew Cab 4x4, 6.7L V8 Diesel Engine: $54,262

"Equal" specs on all three models.
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Until your towing is pushing 50% of your miles, the diesel isn't going to pay for itself with current engines. Emissions controls have eaten into their mileage advantages, but the stupendous torque is still there. From what I've seen posted on towing mileage on newer, tightly-controlled-emissions diesels, you'll do well to average +4 mpg over the Ecoboost or 5.0 while towing.

Close to sea level, I think the 5.0 will compare pretty well to the Ecoboost, though you'll have to turn higher RPM for the same torque that the Ecoboost will give you from 1500 rpm or so. If you think it's likely that you'll move up to a bigger/heavier trailer soon, it would be worth your while to find or order one with the HD Payload package (for a Lariat Supercrew, that's the 157" wb with a 3.73 limited-slip diff, which will get you over 2600 lb of payload in a 2WD truck (2300ish for 4WD.)

Regarding the high-humidity problem, considering the number of Ecoboost F150s they've sold in the last couple of years the incidence is pretty low, but gets magnified by the fact that you don't see the same percentage of people who haven't experienced the problem taking to the internet to say "I don't have a problem with mine." This is not to say it's not a real problem, and if you don't need the unique qualities of the engine (low-RPM torque availability and altitude compensation) then the 5.0 should serve pretty well and save you some money up front.
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Old 03-21-2013, 07:46 PM   #4
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Wow - those are some interesting choices. Kinda like comparing apples to oranges to a pear.

Here is my take:

So you are only going to keep the truck 3 years. That nullifies some of the longevity advantages of the heavier built F-250 diesel. But once you tow with F-250 diesel I doubt you will ever go back to towing with a light truck ever again. Especially if you get a bigger trailer. I would not expect to get 6 mph better though. I would expect 3 or 4 mpg better. I have the 6.7 litre diesel in my Ford truck. I smile when towing up hill. It is an engine on steroids.

F-150 Eco-Boost. That is a gas engine on steroids. I had a 2011 F-150 with the 5.0 litre engine. I really liked that truck. The 5.0 provides very good power but not like the Eco-Boost. The Eco-Boost was not available yet when I bought the 5.0.

The Titan - back in the day this truck was rated the best. That was back in 2005. Since then all trucks have been up-dated except the Titan. The last rating I saw was F-150, Ram 1500, Nissan Titan, Chevy 1500 and last Toyota Tundra. This rating was from Popular Mechanics.

I now have a 2012 Super Duty diesel. The backup camera, engine, and towing make it worth the money. If you have never towed with a Super Duty you will really like it. Especially if towing hundreds of miles. The F-250 is actually comfortable on long trips. The seats are great. When on a hill the truck will not shift down but the turbo will increase boost and up you go. The F-250 will also carry more heavy stuff plus tow the trailer.

The Ram and Chevy 2500 diesel will do the same thing.

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I got a pricing/specs sheet from the commercial account person I was dealing with.

2013 F150 Lariat Super Crew 4x4, 5.0L V8 Flex Fuel Engine: $44,291.
2013 F250 Lariat Crew Cab 4x4, 6.2L V8 Gasoline Engine: $49,504
2013 F250 Lariat Crew Cab 4x4, 6.7L V8 Diesel Engine: $54,262

"Equal" specs on all three models.
The 6.2L gas V8 is unfortunately not packaged with HD payload (which is a ludicrous oversight, IMHO, but that's how it is.) You'd be giving up about 750 lb in payload compared to a 5.0 or Ecoboost.
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Sure you will get lots of opinions - including mine!

We tow a 27 International with an F250 4x4 with the 6.4L diesel, and love it for many reasons. We typically bring a generator, firewood, kayaks, stuff, and do a fair amount of travel (not enough). I have also outfitted the F250 with an auxiliary (50 gallon) fuel tank, which adds weight of course but which really makes a big difference in the number of fuel stops we make and the average price we pay for fuel - we can drive until we find better prices. We still stop to stretch, but we don't have to stop in truck stops.

I can't comment on the other vehicles you mentioned, but I can say that for me the F250 diesel is the perfect towing vehicle. Tows like a champ (have been up and down 10,000+ foot passes with zero problems and plenty of power), is very dependable (approx. 120k miles, one time in the shop), lots of dealerships with mechanics who know the vehicle, rides beautifully, built to tow (includes brakes, transmission etc.), carries all our toys with no problem, creature comfort and space in the cab, and (here's where shallow comes in) looks great. Oh, and the orange running lights over the cab? R R R.
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If it came down to being between the F150 5.0 Lariat and the Nissan Titan Pro4X... the biggest selling point on the F150 to me is the electronic sway control.

Is that a really amazing feature? The dealer isn't exactly going to let me put towing miles on a new truck to check it out.
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I felt the gas 6.2 litre F-250 was under powered. In rough numbers a F-150 weighs 5,700 lbs and a F-250 weighs 7,700 lbs.

You used to be able to get the 6.2 litre engine in a F-150. Not sure about 2013.
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I have a relatively ancient Titan (2004) and pull almost 4 tons of Airstream with it. Depending on how lead footed I am, I get 11 to 13 mpg towing. I know the newer designs do some neat stuff with gear ratios and such but it takes "x" energy to move that weight a given distance so I can't imagine that the Ford gasser will have significantly better results.

If you are going to lease, I can't see the diesel. Big power is big money and it can make sense if you are going to keep the truck quite a while but on a lease... Of course, those that have 'em, love 'em.

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I have 2011 f150 supercab with 8 foot box. Payload is 2700+lbs. Ecoboost engine with over 80000km on it (48000miles). Never had an issue of any kind with the engine. I love the performance and the torque is awesome.
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I have a relatively ancient Titan (2004) and pull almost 4 tons of Airstream with it. Depending on how lead footed I am, I get 11 to 13 mpg towing. I know the newer designs do some neat stuff with gear ratios and such but it takes "x" energy to move that weight a given distance so I can't imagine that the Ford gasser will have significantly better results.

If you are going to lease, I can't see the diesel. Big power is big money and it can make sense if you are going to keep the truck quite a while but on a lease... Of course, those that have 'em, love 'em.

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Of course, those who have 'em love 'em, and there is good reason. It is almost impossible to explain to someone who has never driven one while towing, but if you try it you will like it. I pull a 34' and you never feel out of control.
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I'm not sure you guys are making this much easier

Does anyone have any specific experience with the sway control, or is the experience essentially "I never have any problems?"
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We tow our 31ft. with a F-250 Powerstroke. Love every minute of it :-)
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People are very opinionated when it comes to religion, doctors, trucks and well, may be about a few other things. We are not helping much because of our opinions being so varied, but each are just giving you the things they have experienced or their perspective on your situation. Read, consider and use the information to help make your decision. From my experience of driving F-250's and F-350's since 1992 (I have one of each right now) I would defiantly chose a diesel. You are never going to overload a F-250 with a 6.7 diesel whatever airstream you choose. As for sway control, I am glad it is there, but the 2011 and the 2012 F-250's are the only trucks that I have had with this, and I can truthfully say I have never needed it. I use a cheaper weight distribution hitch with no friction bar, set as properly as I can set it, and never have a sway problem. I pull a 34' which weighs approximately 10,000 lbs. when I am leaving for 3 week trip. We pull through the mountains regularly without ever feeling underpowered or out of control. What ever you choose I hope you enjoy it as much as I do mine.
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