Originally Posted by gpt
the engines in those years you are looking at were built by International and they didn't perform very well. it was not until the 6.7 diesel was introduced, don't know the exact year but should be pretty easy to find, that you have an engine that is worth the price of admission. so my first question would obviously be which engine in the choices you are looking at.
As an owner of a 2005 F250 6.0 CCSB, I'm guessing you've never ridden in or owned a properly maintained 6.0, mine is bone stock, runs great, tons of upgrades available and I don't have to deal with DEF or Regen CAT.
So, for a run down..
1999-2002 7.3L (my brother claims best diesel Ford ever used)
2003-2007 6.0L (much maligned, easy to maintain or upgrade aka IH VT365)
2008-2010 6.4L (based on 6.0 with a few upgrades, first compound turbo)
2011-2015 6.7L (complete redesign, Ford engine)
1999-2004 F250-350 leaf sprung
2005-2015 Radius arm and coil spring suspensions.
1999-2007 Asymmetric rear leaf springs, 4" shorter in the front (roughest riding, upgradable to 2008+ by changing springs and front leaf hangers)
2008-2010 Symmetric rear leaf springs, thinner multi-pack leaves
2011-2015 Symmetric rear leaf springs, thicker/fewer leaves (rumors that they ride rougher than 2008-2010)
Every motor has its weak points, the key is to know which ones you are willing to put up with. A new truck wasn't in my budget, my old Daily Driver was t-boned by a semi and I had no choice.
I test drove a 2004, it was nice but it had a terrible turning radius, something that Ford fixed in 2005 with the 'Super 60' front axle.
I test drove a 2008 F250 King Ranch Edition 6.4L, it was a really nice truck, the motor is a lot quieter than the 6.0 and the compound turbo setup worked very smoothly between low RPM and interstate speeds (75mph). At $28,500k it was very much out of the range that I wanted to spend. But it was nice.
I did not test drive a 2013 at the time, but I did have the sales person look for the cheapest NEW F250 he could find. And what he found me was a
2013 CCSB XL 6.7L (rubber mats, vinyl seats, manual crank windows, only options were AC and Cruise Control) with 3.31:1 rear gears, I could have gotten it out of Minneapolis for $33k
Back to the one I bought, I found it on craigslist from a private seller
2005 F250 CCSB 6.0/auto it is an FX4/Lariat with the Camper Package, and it already had a BW 5th wheel hitch. 3.73:1 gears.
Mine is one of those oddballs with increased carrying capacity.
Fx4 gave me the extra skid plates and a locking rear differential
Camper Package gave me the rear sway bar and overload springs.
The overload springs is what really separates a F250 from a F350 of this vintage, and since I have them, there is no reason for me to upgrade.
I bought it with 176,000 miles in 2012, and just last week the odometer rolled 217,000. The 6.0 is a bit of a prissy motor though, it likes to be maintained and monitored. Use only Ford/Raccor fuel and oil filters, a good synthetic oil, at minimum change out the Ford antifreeze for some good Cat EC1 (or similar) and monitor the EOT/ECT difference (EOT should not be more than 15 degrees above ECT, if it is, change the Oil Cooler ASAP)
I have no grudge against other motors, I'd actually like to own a Cummins one day, I just wish they didn't come in Dodges
If you do decide you are going Ford and PowerStroke, please at least to read the motor problems forums over at
Ford Powerstroke Diesel Forum
I'm over there as the same username in the 6.0 section, I've had a couple issues, nothing that I couldn't overcome.
I really like my truck, I have educated myself enough about it that I will be keeping it as long as I can, but that doesn't mean it is the end all/be all of the trucking world. It just means we are happy together
. And I know that if I get crazy for wanting more power, I can always install a set or ARP head studs, bigger injectors, and a larger capacity turbo, plus tuners for both the FICM and ECM to increase the power from the stock 325 up to 600. Without adding another long term car payment, or having to rely on the dealership for repairs under warranty.
I figure anything that I am willing to drive long distances, I should at minimum be able to diagnose, if not repair while on the road.
My brother in law bought a brand new Dodge 250 with a big gas motor last Fall, claims it makes within 20hp of the Cummins in the same year truck. He doesn't have to deal with DEF/regen/turbo issues and *claims* it still makes 14.5mpg @ 75mph. Also claims he got a lifetime warranty on the drivetrain.