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Old 03-14-2016, 10:45 PM   #15
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I very much appreciate everyone’s input. At this point I believe things are pointing to the following:

1. Whatever the final configuration of the F150 Platinum, it will likely provide an available payload of about 1500 to 1600 lbs. (A Moon Roof will put it at the lower end.) [ Does this seem about right for those of you in the know? ]
2. I should be able to reduce the Airstream's 923 lb. tongue weight to about 750 lbs. with a proper weight distribution setup. [ Does that sound correct? ]
3. Before even adding anything into the truck bed, we will start with a copilot (100 lbs.), a camper shell (200 lbs.), a Bedrug bed liner (20 lbs.), a small generator (50 lbs.), and a small tool box (30 lbs.) for a total of about 400 lbs.
4. So… Available beginning payload (1500 to 1600 lbs.), minus trailer’s tongue weight (750 lbs.), minus non-discretionary added items (400 lbs.) equals about 350 to 450 lbs. for “stuff”.

Edit: Oops, there will also be a ProPride hitch! I'll have to subtract that out as well.
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Old 03-14-2016, 11:21 PM   #16
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You might consider dropping down to a Lariat. One notch below a Platinum but probably will increase your payload. When building my truck on the Ford Website and in ordering the truck from the dealer I could only get best estimates as to payload. When the truck showed up at the dealer the payload was slightly less then hoped for.
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Old 03-14-2016, 11:49 PM   #17
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at 923lbs ...do you quote the spec of the dry trailer? meaning that ready for camping with battery, full LP tank, luggage in trailer and perhaps a little bit of water in the tank.... the realistic tongue weight will be in the 1100-1200 lbs range...

the distribution hitch might be able to take a little out of this but I don't think you will see your 750lbs goal.

a platinum trim will get you between 1450 and 1550lbs payload (I look at 4 of the truck on the lot here)

The reality is, if you want to go witch such a high trim level...it might be better to go with a f250 or another model.

The work horse in the F150 is the XLT that can have 1800-2600lbs payload but as more basic options/trim.
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Old 03-15-2016, 01:19 AM   #18
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Hi, I will try to make this simple. When looking for a 2014 F-150, there was a Limited or Platinum on the show room floor. It had a payload of 1,065 lbs. My XLT has a payload of 1,745 lbs.

Now with a tongue weight of 900 lbs. which truck would be the best?
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Old 03-15-2016, 01:20 AM   #19
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[QUOTE=jonnyo;1762582] the realistic tongue weight will be in the 1100-1200 lbs range..."

You have to be careful loading the Airstream as well as the truck. Your Airstream Manual will have a warning to never exceed 1,000 lbs tongue weight, "1100-1200 lbs range" exceeds Airstream specs.

If you must follow weight limits, then you must follow them all.

Also, Airstream hitch weight can be and often is reduced to effectively increase tow vehicle payload capacity. Our tongue weight goal is 10% of maximum FC 25 Airstream or 730 lbs.

Just to make it more fun, the ProPride o.p. mentioned is mounted on the Airstream tongue so it looks like tongue weight; but when slid into the truck receiver the head and stinger are carried by the truck, doesn't look like tongue weight.

More fun. So then I have 730 lbs tongue weight and transfer 20% of that back to my trailer axles, it appears I am under the 10% minimum tongue weight mandated by Airstream. But perhaps the weight of my ProPride adds enough to solve the riddle.

Another thought we have. When we put 1400 lbs payload mostly in our truck bed we have lightened steering and braking going down the road. When we add 1400 lbs truck and tongue weight load, then distribute that load to front and rear truck axles (as well as trailer axles) with our w.d. hitch the truck's steering and braking are much better in this payload configuration. The truck feels much safer with the Airstream payload, than with no trailer and the load in the bed of the truck, weighing heavily on the rear axle and lightly on the front axle.

Do truck payload limits take these different payload configurations into consideration? No. Do we lose sleep nitpicking payload numbers? No. Are we aware of payload numbers, balance and load positioning when loading and setting our weight distribution? Yes.

We use top quality equipment, get it set up properly, never exceed axle and tire weight limits, and use experience with our rig, reason and common sense to ensure we are always traveling in the safest manner.
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Old 03-15-2016, 01:47 AM   #20
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pretty much anyone with a 28, 30 and some 27 will be exceeding 1000lbs. The dry tongue weight are in the 880 to 950....that is not counting anything. Are you saying airstream tell those people to not exceed 1000lbs? a simple battery on the tongue and your pass that ''limit''. when those trailer leave the dealer lot they are above 1000lbs empty.

the threads with ''real world measured tongue weight'' quickly show under 1000lbs is not possible for those models in most cases.
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What would be the likely physical consequences to occasionally exceeding payload capacity by, say, 200 to 400 lbs. in my scenario? No need to comment on ethical, moral, or legal consequences. Say for example that I've loaded up the Platinum to the limit with the 450 lbs. described in my previous post. We're cruising around the beautiful USA just enjoying the heck out of life. But then, with several weeks left on the road before our planned return to base, I find a large chunk of beautiful wood that I want to bring back to the shop. It weighs 40 lbs. but I throw it in the back of the truck. Then a week later we find a stack of cast iron pots at a flee market. Another 50 lbs.! Then the copilot spots a pretty rock that would nice in her garden. 75 lbs. (). By the time we reach home we're carrying 200 lbs. of extra stuff. What are the dangers with this? Would it be tire issues that could not be dealt with by adjusting inflation? Would it be issues related to drive control that could not be dealt with by reducing driving speed?
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Old 03-15-2016, 07:10 PM   #22
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What you'll really need to do once you get your truck is to load your trailer for camping and take it to CAT scale at a truck stop. There you'll finally get some hard data. What matters is axle loads. Payload is just a approximate substitute. The manufacturer comes up with this number by making some assumptions on how a owner will load and distribute that load up to or near the axle limits. These are listed on the yellow sticker.

I measured my truck and trailer, adjusted the hitch, and measured again. I'm under by about 70 lbs on the rear axle. So I can add a few things more but not much to the truck. Personally I would try to not exceed limits by much. Certinally less than 100 lbs.

If I wanted to get some heavy rocks, pots, or wooden art I might instead look for a way to carry it inside the trailer where I'm probably 800 lbs under its maximum weight rating.
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as someone already mention, loading the trailer instead of the truck box would be a better idea as long as you don't pass the limit of the trailer.

but most likely, exceeding the payload of the truck by a few pounds will most likely not do much at all. But the bigger the payload, the harder on the truck so expect higher maintenance cost...more part of suspension and drive train breaking and need replacing etc.

when company makes rating...they do build some buffer into those. But it s a little tricky to start using that buffer.... it s pushing the limits.
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Old 03-15-2016, 11:18 PM   #24
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........And, a test program conducted for US DOT-NHTSA – using an Airstream trailer – concluded that transferring large amount of added load to the TV’s front axle was undesirable from the standpoint of stability."

I figured that out for myself experimenting with my WD.

My truck handles better with quite a bit more weight than this process will allow on my TV's rear axle.

IMHO, a little extra weight on the rear axle makes for a safer and more stable combination.

This becomes even more apparent on wet roads. The weak link for jackknifing is the TV rear axle. "By the numbers" might be a rough starting point, but tuning the setup for stability and comfort is the goal that we should reach for.



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Overloading by 200 to 400 pounds over "payload" will have essentially have NO wear and tear consequences so long as your tires are up to it, you use WD, and your vehicle is stable going down the road.


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Old 03-16-2016, 08:45 AM   #26
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Interesting thread and comments. I am looking at getting the same vehicle!

On the limited research I have done, it is clear the Platinum can be specced up to 1700lbs payload. Actually this is defined on the window stickers as "7050# GVWR package" from what I can tell.

I am seriously looking at the Lariat as this will get up to 2300# payload or so..

I did talk to the local dealer yesterday, but they did not seem to understand my questions on configuration...

Following thread with interest
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Just be aware that auto manufacturers publish the MAX payload for a vehicle with no options/accessories. The actual payload is on the yellow sticker on the driver side door jam. Make sure you base your decision on that number (which is usually several hundreds pounds less than the published MAX payload).
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Interesting thread and comments. I am looking at getting the same vehicle!

On the limited research I have done, it is clear the Platinum can be specced up to 1700lbs payload. Actually this is defined on the window stickers as "7050# GVWR package" from what I can tell.

I am seriously looking at the Lariat as this will get up to 2300# payload or so..

I did talk to the local dealer yesterday, but they did not seem to understand my questions on configuration...

Following thread with interest
your spec are wrong. the publish number in window sticker is unfortunutly not accurate vs the weight of the vehicle after installation of all trims and option.

you wont find a platinum at 1700. more in the 1400-1550lbs

and a lariat as a hard time reaching 1600-1800

for 2300lbs, you need a xlt with no options, 156 wheelbase and the special heavy payload option that ford only produce at the end of the year. They are extremely rare and not available on dealer lots.

once again, nothing beat looking at the door job stickers...that s where the true info can be found... I suggest you look at this dealer that post pictures of door job to show true payload.... it s a very eye opening exercices

http://www.hannafords.ca/new-invento...2&model=F-150&
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