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Old 05-04-2016, 08:46 PM   #113
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F150 EB owners who have moved to F250/F350?

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I know I don't.So post #104 is a irrelevant reference to this post.

I go to crowded malls, and elsewhere and my truck is a 2015 Supercrew with a 8ft box and a 172 inch wheelbase.But I can see that it is not for everyone and understand your concern and decision.I also have a Mini Cooper S that I drive from time to time.Lol


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Old 05-04-2016, 09:50 PM   #114
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I started with a new F150 properly set up pulling my 28ft International and soon found that it was at its limits and we were not comfortable towing with it.
I see this position asserted a lot, usually without backup. No offense but can you quantify what is meant by not comfortable? Was there lots of sway, or did the combination not stop safely? I assume you did not feel safe or were placed into unsafe situations. A F150 is a pretty heavy vehicle to start with. What exactly seemed not right? Conversely, what did the F250 solve? I appreciate your thoughts.

I ask because I'm serious about replacing my nearly 14 year old tow vehicle (Expedition) this fall and have been eyeing the 2017 F150 for my 27FB. The 2017 250 is also being upgraded too and is attractive in its own right but I have doubts to it applicability to needs of a daily driver for my purposes.
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My TV is my daily driver. When I was younger I would drive a half ton this year and a dually the next, but not anymore. One truck at a time will do for now, and for that a half ton works fine for me.

If I would have wanted to have to have a half ton, I might have bought a giant 5th wheel trailer.

Is it because I am afraid of a big combination? Nah, I used to move furniture, I could put a 53' trailer in some spots that seemed impossible, and I have backed a semi more than two miles down a curvy road. Frankly for me, a monster pickup is not what I need or even want today.

Can a person want a big tow vehicle? OF COURSE!

Does a person NEED a big tow vehicle with a 500 HP diesel to tow an Airstream?

Of course not!


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Old 05-05-2016, 09:42 AM   #116
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We had cut off the 1,200 pound rated factory receiver off of the 2012 Ram 2500HD Cummins (when the conversion to a Kelderman Level ride four airbag suspension system was installed) as I had read about the weld failures on a few of these factory installations and new I would have a 1,175 pound tongue weight initially with our existing 2013 25FB International Serenity that would be at the maximum rating of that factory hitch. We installed a Curt 15049 receiver rated 2,550 pounds of tongue weight and a 17,000 pound trailer. I am confident that rating will exceed any Airstream numbers for the foreseeable future.

After configuring our 2014 Classic with four Lifeline 6ct 6Vdc 300 amp-hour battles and the custom stainless steel enclosure, out tongue weight was about 1,375 pounds. That rating easily exceeds the ½ ton world load hitch ratings and when the bed is full of two generators, tools, propane and gasoline and lawn chairs, grill etc., the total load capacity is just not there in a ½ ton rated vehicle.

We are pleased with our Ram in Big Horn trim level as it is the perfect match for our application. It is NOT the daily driver, but I have been in malls and other tight spots when on a road trip and the trailer is detached and it all works out fine. I tend to park away from the entrance doors as the walk is good for me.

We now have the best extremes of the Airstream world for us between the Ram and the 31' Classic and the Mercedes ML320 CDI towing the 2015 23D International Serenity.

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I see this position asserted a lot, usually without backup. No offense but can you quantify what is meant by not comfortable? Was there lots of sway, or did the combination not stop safely? I assume you did not feel safe or were placed into unsafe situations. A F150 is a pretty heavy vehicle to start with. What exactly seemed not right? Conversely, what did the F250 solve? I appreciate your thoughts.

I ask because I'm serious about replacing my nearly 14 year old tow vehicle (Expedition) this fall and have been eyeing the 2017 F150 for my 27FB. The 2017 250 is also being upgraded too and is attractive in its own right but I have doubts to it applicability to needs of a daily driver for my purposes.
I respect the F250 decisions for TV and understand. For me, I want gas and bigger fuel tank, which would mean I have to get the 8' bed in the F250. I also have concerns about daily driver and parking; the 1/2 T TV's are desirable. Our F150 EB short bed, Platinum is good size and daily driver and TV, with some concerns on limitations of engine heating and breaking; just not sure . Looked again yesterday at the GMC and Chevy 6.2 TV's w/8speed. Some models can order with 36G tank and they do have larger HD breaks with HD Tow and 20"+ wheels. Will wait however, to see the 2017 F150 lineup w/ 10 speed trany and new engine options before final decision. Still have 1 year and 20K miles on extended warranty. Interesting post seeing how many of us are going through this...reminds me of that song: "should I stay or should I go" (1/2T vs 3/4T)
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I see this position asserted a lot, usually without backup. No offense but can you quantify what is meant by not comfortable? Was there lots of sway, or did the combination not stop safely? I assume you did not feel safe or were placed into unsafe situations. A F150 is a pretty heavy vehicle to start with. What exactly seemed not right? Conversely, what did the F250 solve? I appreciate your thoughts.
This post really resonated with me. As someone who knows nothing about trucks or towing (we're years away from getting an Airstream, but I'm trying to learn as much as I can), I'm spending a lot of time reading about different people's experiences using a wide variety of trucks to tow an even wider variety of trailers. Please understand that I'm not aiming this at anyone or any specific posts in this thread, it's just my feeling over reading many, many threads on this forum. My least favorite phrase on here, by far, is "no problems." As in "I've towed thousands of miles all over the country with Truck X with no problems."

The problem with the phrase "no problems" is that everyone sees problems differently. For one person, going up a mountain at only 45 mph is to be expected when towing a trailer, for someone else it's a problem. For some people, every minor inconvenience is a problem; for others, they didn't get in an accident, so there were no problems.

A great example (not from this thread, I'm not trying to call anyone out) is someone I read about recently who had "no problems" towing with his half ton that had a payload of 1600 lbs. He then pointed out that he carried two passengers, had a tongue weight over 1000 lbs, and carried another 1000 lbs of equipment in the bed. If you add up that weight, he was about a thousand pounds over his payload capacity. To many people, that in itself would be a big problem. But to him, he didn't experience any negative effects when traveling, so it was "no problem."

So, the problem with "no problems" is that it's just an opinion - it basically just means "I never felt uncomfortable." But everyone is different, and we all have different comfort levels. So, posting about your experiences having "no problems" is essentially meaningless to everyone but you. This is why I basically must ignore all the posts where people have "no problems", but I really appreciate the specific feedback people with weights, grades, temperatures, trim levels, speeds, mileage, etc. Those sorts of details really help clueless noobs like me navigate this often confusing subject.
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DPRoberts, after you get some time setting up weight distribution hitches and sitting in the drivers seat towing your Airstream you will know what your rig can do "without problems".

A quick search of the internet will provide a handful of numbers. That will be feel far less significant than real experience after you get some. Pay attention to those who actually tow these things with a variety of vehicles and you can learn something.

There are qualities in tow vehicles and trailers and hitches that lend to a much better towing experience; some are much better than others and these qualities not expressed in the numbers.
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One thing that helped my 1/2 ton feel more planted was swapping the stock P rated tires for LT tires.
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One thing that helped my 1/2 ton feel more planted was swapping the stock P rated tires for LT tires.
For sure. We did that on our earlier Tundra a few years ago on Andrew Thomson's recommendation and it made things much more steady.

We now use the stock 60 series P-rated tires at max sidewall pressure (on the rear tires) and there is no noticeable sidewall flex. Our ProPride hitch ensures there is no trailer yaw transferred to the steering axle. Two fingers on the steering wheel will do, too risky to use only one.
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Titan makes a great 50 gallon after market fuel tank for the 250. My 150 holds more fuel than a short bed 250. First thing I am doing when I get the 250 is to swap the tanks out. I continue to worry about overloading the TV and don't need anything else to worry about and the 250 gives me much more peace of mind.
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Old 05-05-2016, 07:35 PM   #123
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A properly set up wd hitch will only help to a point .When your suspension is maxed out even though you may be sitting level it cannot do its intended purpose which is to absorb the shock of rough pavement,potholes etc.And thus the problem begins.Hit a pothole and a jolt is felt instead of a soft bump due to a overloaded suspension.A wallowing will also be felt soon after that some think different tires cure.But they are only covering up a problem that still exists.You are over loaded.
With heavier tongue weight trailers a 3/4 or 1 ton will ride smoother and handle better than a maxed out soft sprung 1/2 ton.The reason is simple this is what they were designed for.
Next time you visit your local car dealer take the time to look under a 1/2 ton look at the suspension and rear differential.Then do the same with a 3/4 ton.You will see a big difference in their components but there are many more differences larger radiator,hd 8 lug rims and tires,stiffer frames,hd transmissions and coolers,larger brakes etc.These are items that are designed and proven to carry more payload and pull larger trailers.Hit a pothole in one of these there is no jolt felt only a bump and no wallowing will be felt.These trucks are quiet,comfortable and ride smooth.
A 1/2 ton is a great choice for a lot of towing applications but for heavier tongue weight trailers and people that max their payloads they are the wrong choice.

This is the reason they make different payload rated trucks.

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A properly set up wd hitch will only help to a point .When your suspension is maxed out even though you may be sitting level it cannot do its intended purpose which is to absorb the shock of rough pavement,potholes etc.And thus the problem begins.Hit a pothole and a jolt is felt instead of a soft bump due to a overloaded suspension.A wallowing will also be felt soon after that some think different tires cure.But they are only covering up a problem that still exists.You are over loaded.
With heavier tongue weight trailers a 3/4 or 1 ton will ride smoother and handle better than a maxed out soft sprung 1/2 ton.The reason is simple this is what they were designed for.
Next time you visit your local car dealer take the time to look under a 1/2 ton look at the suspension and rear differential.Then do the same with a 3/4 ton.You will see a big difference in their components but there are many more differences larger radiator,hd 8 lug rims and tires,stiffer frames,hd transmissions and coolers,larger brakes etc.These are items that are designed and proven to carry more payload and pull larger trailers.Hit a pothole in one of these there is no jolt felt only a bump and no wallowing will be felt.These trucks are quiet,comfortable and ride smooth.
A 1/2 ton is a great choice for a lot of towing applications but for heavier tongue weight trailers and people that max their payloads they are the wrong choice.

This is the reason they make different payload rated trucks.

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This summary is very persuasive for me as it describes my 1/2 ton experience well - I have LT tires and a propride, but still get the wallowing because I am overloaded.
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Two fingers on the steering wheel will do, too risky to use only one.

Yep.

If a person can comfortably tow their trailer at posted limits with one relaxed hand on on the wheel, this kind of means "no problems".

A good mannered vehicle combination has a feel that a person knows when they feel it.

As far as I know there are no numbers that can describe this feeling. I use words like "it is as if the vehicle is on rails", that is about as close as I can get to describing how my 1/2 ton pulls my trailer with its premium hitch.

As far as hills go, there is not a hill on the Interstate system between Little Rock and Phoenix that I cant pull at 70 mph, but I have been knocked back to 35 up a piece of long 8% grade on hwy 77 south of Globe AZ, and about 44 mph up the steepest part of Saint Augustine pass on US 70 east of Las Cruces.

I can live with that.


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Old 05-05-2016, 10:25 PM   #126
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This summary is very persuasive for me as it describes my 1/2 ton experience well - I have LT tires and a propride, but still get the wallowing because I am overloaded.

Are you overloaded, or do you have your weight bar jacks too tight?

The only time my combination even hints at what I might call "wallowing" is when I have the jacks too tight.

(Which makes the rear TV axle too light)

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