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Old 05-16-2016, 03:08 PM   #169
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Would it not be boring if we all had the same trailer, same truck and carried the same load. I do wonder what we would post if that was the case. Makes for interesting reading. The great thing is that people, in an effort to help out others, are giving their experiences, good and bad. One of the wonderful things about this site.
I suspect we would go back to tire pressure, type tires, and hitch advantages.....again! LoL
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Old 05-16-2016, 05:45 PM   #170
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Which is a recommendation. You own the vehicle, not them.

Axle and tire limits are what matter. At most.

The rest is tail chasing.

I tend to agree with you on that Slow, but fighting that point is an uphill battle...


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Old 05-16-2016, 05:56 PM   #171
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Last trip out to NM I had my tool box in back of the truck, 1,160 lbs, along with about 1,000 pounds of tongue weight on my 1/2 ton, I figure I was probably about 150 pounds over GCWR before I sat in the drivers seat.... Which means about 400 pounds after I sat down...

I cranked down the WD jacks a little tighter than usual.....

How did it drive?

Like it was on rails,,, sswweeettt!




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Old 05-16-2016, 07:04 PM   #172
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That would apply to commercial vehicles, not recreational.
Normally, yes. But on my way back from Salt Lake City to NY with my AS in tow, there was one state (damned if I can remember which...) where the weigh station signs clearly stated that Recreational Vehicles had to exit if the weigh station was open.

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Old 05-16-2016, 08:04 PM   #173
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This has been a really fun post and I have learned a ton. Thanks to everyone. Just for fun, maybe I should ask which is better, Ford or Chevy.
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Old 05-16-2016, 08:24 PM   #174
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Interesting to discover what I clearly didn't know!

Check out AAA Digest of Motor Laws. Many States require passenger or specialty vehicles either in combination (towing a trailer) with GVWR of 10,000 lbs.to stop at weigh stations. The detail of the law is listed for each State.

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Old 05-16-2016, 11:20 PM   #175
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Can't be too many states, we've towed through most of them. How about some specifics.
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Hmm...., go to AAA Towing Digest of Motor Law. As I stated earlier, each State is listed with the individual requirements, which I am not going to detail here. You can look it up yourself. I briefly reviewed it, and it looks like roughly 9 States have laws affecting passenger vehicles with trailers exceeding 10,000lbs. total weight. Perhaps I am reading this wrong, or misunderstanding, which is why I ask that you read it for yourself. I was simply surprised, thinking travel trailers were exempt.

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And when I am in those States, will I be pulling over? Heck no....!
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Old 05-17-2016, 09:59 AM   #177
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Since the RV is a private vehicle not in interstate business and thus not federally regulated, the state of registration of the truck and trailer would be the rules the owner would follow to get the registration and plates.

So keeping the tires rated with a larger capacity than the axles and keeping the loaded axle weight less than the axle rating and not exceeding the combined weight limit all would be well in camper land.
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Hmm...., go to AAA Towing Digest of Motor Law. As I stated earlier, each State is listed with the individual requirements, which I am not going to detail here. You can look it up yourself. I briefly reviewed it, and it looks like roughly 9 States have laws affecting passenger vehicles with trailers exceeding 10,000lbs. total weight. Perhaps I am reading this wrong, or misunderstanding, which is why I ask that you read it for yourself. I was simply surprised, thinking travel trailers were exempt.

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And when I am in those States, will I be pulling over? Heck no....!
It's unclear whether you refer to truck or trailer with GVWR over 10,000 lbs. No current Airstream model's GVWR is over 10,000 lbs, and only the very largest pickups have over 10,000 lbs GVWR, no 1/2 ton pickups, few 3/4 tons.

These laws are not for recreational Airstreamers, we could be over GVWR on either or both and not required to pull into a weigh station, because both our truck and trailer under 10,000 GVWR.

I doubt many people driving pickup trucks even have any idea what their GVWR is.

This is not to say I recommend exceeding ratings, it's to say the weigh station requirement is irrelevant. And the exception does not prove any point; we have seen a fellow with so much junk welded and hung on his old sedan and home-made travel trailer is was unbelievable. I've got a photo somewhere, on Natchez Trace, I'll bet others have seen him. He claimed to have traveled with it in every state but Hawaii, and was never pulled over. Colorful character, Robert E. Lee Voyles.
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Old 05-17-2016, 11:32 AM   #179
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F150 EB owners who have moved to F250/F350?

The "over 10,000 pounds" thing on a trailer is an administrative thing.

Most every semi trailer in interstate commercial service is going to be registered for 10,001 pounds.

This has the affect of putting All of the combinations weight on the power units registration.

(In other words, if the unit is intended to haul at 80,000 lbs Gross weight, the trailer is registered for 10,001 lbs, and the truck is registered for 80,000 lbs.)

The scales really don't care about the weight rating of the truck or the trailer, they care about whether enough weight/registration fees, road taxes, and fuel use taxes have been paid to the applicable jurisdictions.


The DOT will not be interested in seeing privately owned RVs crossing the scales, but they DO expect commercial transporters of RVs to cross.

That said, I have seen perhaps one or two RVs in scales in my lifetime, and I have never seen an RV pursued for not stopping at a scale.

I did see the NM DOT run down a school bus once though.


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Through all of our travels, I have only seen once that RV's were required to go through the scales and they were closed when we passed. I have seen in NM and I think CA that transporters of RV's, like a delivery service was required to go through the scales. I think there was a state up toward MI that required it too but just can't remember which. I can't see that they would want to mess with the RV's as would just backup the scales more for the overall slim chance of a violation.
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No comment on US regulations, the AAA guide looks like a good source of info.

I agree with other posters that tire and axle ratings matter more than GVWR.

But that said, there are jurisdictions where GVWR matters and is enforced. In British Columbia, due to road safety concerns, RV GVWRs became a focus. BC regulations may matter to some posters, given interest in the Alaska Highway, which starts in BC.

Note that tow ratings aren't regulated here, but GVWR and GAWR are. Enforcement is carried out by the Commercial Vehicle Safety Enforcement group within the provincial Ministry of Transportation, and applies to privately owned RVs, whether they are registered in BC or not. Testing is usually done with portable scales at safety check points, keeping the commercial scales clear for trucks.

Spot checks are done based on visual clues, including trucks not appearing to be level.

Info sheets for reference:

http://www.cvse.ca/vehicle_inspections/PDF/MV3230.pdf

http://www.cvse.ca/references_public...82003)GVWR.pdf

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